Religion Muslims getting their kicks

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  1. Denny Crane

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    Sure, religious zealots killing and torturing anyone not converted to their own faith. For religious reasons alone.
     
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    I assume you are referencing Proverbs 23:13.
    I will make the following observation on this comment and then let it lay. Your lack of comprehension is not worthy of continuing.
    The laying of the rod in Proverbs is about discipling the child. I do not agree with this approach but it has nothing to do with how to treat a heathen.
    Proverbs in not in the New Testament so this again shows you have not begun to understand the teaching of Jesus.
    You are pretty much unqualified to judge the differences between the religious teaching, so no point in continuing.

    But at least Platypus persauded you to read the Bible, perhaps you could hire him to help you with comprehension.
     
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    No that is your logic. I'm just along for the ride. I do admire that you are finally seeing how idiotic that thinking is though.

    But the Stalin movement wasn't just a "oh they are just the lower 10%". There was a conscious "anti-Christian murdering of their people. It wasn't an oops, they were Christians by chance moment here.

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    It's funny that you say this when many historians look at the inquisitions or crusades as ploys to gain power, land and money.

    But don't let me stop your fantasy
     
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  6. Denny Crane

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    What possible political or power gain is there in sending your best warriors thousands of miles away to fight over a religious site?

    :lol:
     
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    There was a conscious "let's get rid of enemies of the state" movement. If they wanted to kill all the christians, there'd have been a lot more mass murder and only a few Russians left. As it was,

    There were ~190M Russians in the USSR in 1940.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789

    They lost 26M in WW II just defending against Nazi invasion. The rest of the 34 to 49 million make up about 25% of their population, and you can only find ~100K killed having anything to do with religion or atheism.

    Your thinking is the idiotic kind.
     
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    I thought you actually read up on shit Denny?!?!

    http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/whic/Ref...9095657&jsid=4a457e60f27cda06521b9794259c49f7

     
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    You missed the point where 6,000 out of the 7,000 churches were burned to the ground and their members put to death or sent to concentration camps.

    Does it really matter that 85,000 people out of a millions where killed in one year alone in the anti-Christian campaign? I guess you don't think the 3k killed in 911 doesn't matter much since it's only a fraction of the U.S. population as well?

    But keep going...
     
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    Too bad about the Churches. I wouldn't condone that sort of thing.

    As I said, the intent was to make a perfect state, not establish atheism . The Church as an organization was deemed an enemy of a perfect state. No more or less.

    Unlike burning heretics at the stake, which was entirely about forcing religion on someone. Or else.

    Or the inquisition. Or the witch trials. Or recently, Bosnia. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide
     
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    It obviously mattered to the 3k, and all the people who knew/loved them.
    But it didn't destroy the US. We were able to replace those 3k rather quickly. If we are good at anything, it's making babies. In terms of the balance of power, it didn't matter at all.

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    It mattered more than just those 3k and their families. The thousands of soldiers that died after in the Afghanistan and Iraq war would disagree. The fact that there is a new memorial on the very site that was blown down is another testament to what mattered.

    We aren't talking about "the balance of power". We are talking about the morality of those innocent lives that were killed and the many Americans that were also deeply effected by that horrible act which brought us all together. Even the Democrats and Republicans joined together after that event.

    What a damn silly thing to say.
     
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    Ok, good point. The thousands who died in Iraq in particular certainly must be wondering (assuming your theism is correct, and they can wonder after death) what the fuck?

    Okay, whatever you say. Didn't realize the question was morality. For the record: killing people is bad.

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    Good response!
     
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    I'm just so tired of religions. They all suck. Some are worse. This world really needs more people to turn away from organized religions. Or, at least stop listening to, and giving power to, certain folk who the interprete scriptures for others, or represent a god.
     
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    Yeah I'm so tired of ideology and politics too! Governments murdering millions of people because some other group doesn't believe in democracy or socialism! We should all be anarchists!!!!
     
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    I'm not saying people shouldn't be permitted to whatever religion they choose, just that I hope more people stop relying on priests, rabbis, clerics or any other flawed human to interpret what God wants. I think that's where so many problems lie. People, religious and atheist alike have their own motivations and given a ton of power (followers) will often abuse their original ideology for selfish cause.

    If there is a God who gave us free thought, shouldn't we use it and not rely on others to form our thoughts?

    This idea also extends to politics, government and business. They aren't bad things, but people need to use their own thought process and stop choosing sides based on the letter R or D, Apple or Microsoft, Fox or NBC.

    A priest is ok, a political party is ok, a network is ok, but people need to stop just accepting whatever crap is fed to them by their side. Let's use our brains.
     
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    Well that makes more sense. I didn't take your "do away with silly religion" idea as an unbias pure argument. I think there are good religions, politics and ideologies around. Just because you think they are full of shit doesn't mean it's full of shit.

    Basically, you are doing what you despise, wanting to influence people to believe what you believe in.
     
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    No, (in this case) I am not trying to get people to believe what I believe in. I don't believe there is a god, I'm not recommending people follow my lead and not believe in God. I'm saying that I hope more people will think for themselves and not take other people's opinions as fact without considering its veracity or possible motives behind interpretations.

    If you think through a subject and come to the same conclusion as someone you respect, that's good. But don't skip the part where you critically analyze the opinion at hand.

    Look at politics. There are hundreds of issues being discussed by our politicians. Why is it that on 95% of these issues all the Republicans choose one side and all the Democrats choose another side? In reality most issues have more than two sides. Also, there is no way everyone from one camp actually believes the same thing every damned time.

    I tend to side more Dem, but an honest assessment by me illuminates quite a few areas where the Republicans are correct. And, even more areas where there is an alternate side or view that's more logical than what either the Dems or Repubs believe.

    It's cause they all have some shitty faith that their leadership knows what's best and people aren't willing to think or act on their own.
     

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