Our third and fourth lines blow. I think it is time to say goodbye to either hags or zucc to improve the top 9. We are pretty much 2 and half line team now.
I actually want a legit top 6 guy if we move hagelin then zucc can be moved to the third line where he belongs. In either case, get top 6 guy. Zuc or hags wont cut it in top 6. They suck against top defensive pairings on other teams.
i thin its safe to say that hagelin and zucc are pretty much same player, by with that being said who do you guys think is better, i feel like zucc did really well last season in the postseason (as did hags) but zucc i think has more to offer, i like both of them to a degree but its safe to say we are the team of midgits
Well, that was frustrating. Two games in 3 days and I see ZERO real goals (Hags goal down 4-0 with 8 seconds left does not count). I didn't get to standup and cheer for any goals. Crazy stuff really. Angers me greatly when I have to see Hags/Moore/Fast Stemp/Hayes/Glass as the bottom 6. Outside of Hags there isn't a guy in that group that will score 12 goals. Half won't even score 6. WE NEED ANOTHER TOP 9 FORWARD. This team is so thin upfront it is scary. If the top two lines aren't scoring the team has zero chance to get goals. Really pisses me off now. Get off your lazy as* Sather and make something happen. As for Hank, it was a terrible goal. He knows it. From what I have read this AM he was really angry at himself after the game. BUT...we scored ZERO GOALS. I am not going to sit here and get all over our goalie or D when we allow 1 goal and score ZERO goals. Obviously this L is on the O. And if Brassard misses another empty net I am going to send a check to the Garden for shooting lessons for him. Over the past two seasons this guy has missed more empty nets and seemingly slamdunk goals than anyone on the team by far. We SHOULD get our sh*t together the next two games at home against the Canes and Panthers, but that cannot mask what we all know this team needs to be a legit SC team. I hope Sather gets that.
As for Zucc/Hags, I agree ideally one can go since they are similar, but like I said yesterday the Rangers are in a tough spot there. I do think Zucc is the better player, BUT I also know Hags is valuable to the team with his speed and PK ability. The bigger issue is to me Zucc will have ZERO value in the trades we would try and make with the lesser teams that are out of it. As a UFA why would those teams want Zucc...unless they can flip him right away. Hags as a RFA does have some value to those types of teams, but I also think he has good value to us in the playoffs. All things being equal I rather deal Zucc mainly because he is a UFA this summer and should get a raise to over 4 mill per. But if he has no real value this trade DL, I would try and flip Hags for a bigger top 9 forward. Then they would still need to add another top 9 forward unless the guy we get for Hags is a big-time player. I also want to see Miller play. I know he makes some mistakes on D, but I cannot watch this bottom 6 without Miller. There is so little chance to score it is painful. At least with Miller playing the bottom 6 has a chance to score. I would put Miller and Hags as the wings on the 3rd line and be done with it. Hags is responsible on D. Miller is getting better, I saw him with a very good back-check against the Isles. Just let them play and go from there. Overall I hope a move happens sooner and not 6 weeks from now. I would try to deal Zucc first if possible, but would default to Hags if need be, but I fully believe no shot we deal either unless we get a big-time proven player. I don't see Sather dealing either of these guys for a top 9 forward who is solid. He would want more to deal these guys, and rightfully so. If you deal either one of these guys and add someone back, the depth issue is still there, so it needs to be a clearly better player and a big jump in talent.
That's why I stopped going to rangers games a while ago Chuck, would always pick games where they sucked. I remember paying $300 each for 2 tickets and it was 4-0 Philly after 1 period.
Meh. Sky is falling in here as usual. The loss to the Isles was really a stinker, but the one last night was a tight defensive game where both goalies played fantastic. They got the "bounce", we didn't, a soft goal was going to happen to one of those two goalies there, Hank knows he needed to stop that, but no one, goalies included, are perfect. He stopped 25 of 26 (.962). We hit a few pipes, one off Prices back, etc, just didn't get the bounce. I certainly agree with sentiment that we need to add a top 9 guy, preferably one with some balls and the ability to win draws, but lets not get carried away here, Hags sucks, Zuc sucks, McD sucks, Hank sucks... PK Subban is a piece of shit, that was really classless, I really wish someone would have punched him in the face, but I guess we cant take a penalty for that in a 0-0 game....
You guys need to relax. They're only halfway through the season, and two games back from the break. They will begin to find the net again
Come on 71, Staal wasn't the problem last night. In fact he was laying the wood all over the ice like the pre-injury staal last night. The d-man I am concerned with now is Mcdonagh as he is turning over the puck over and over and I am starting to think he must have some kind of injury he's playing with that the team is being quiet about. Boyle is a big liability out there. Hard to watch the munchkin trio of msl, zucc and hags gets pushed all over the ice by any good team with size. Wish av would have given kreids the go ahead to beat the crap out of subban instead of "the no goey kreidy look". Ugh. Would have given team a big lift watching kreids wipe the floor up with subban as he looked possessed with him out there. As for useless glass loses fight with prust. Team will straighten out so no need to panic but I agree with others that slats needs to make a move or 2 to get some more size and scoring in here.
Where's the sky falling? We're simply saying the team obviously needs some changes if they want to make another run. This roster as it stands is not good enough.
1994 team had the best record before the DL and Neil Smith still traded for like 5 new guys to upgrade the team. The guy who needs to be moved is Hagelin for top 6 guy. Zucc will be ok on the third line. As chuck said, he does not have much value since he is a UFA so it will be hard to move him. Add a gritty forward, a face-off specialist for the fourth line and the way we go.
It is going to take a mindless drunken GM to take hags or zucc for a better more physical top 6 player. Ask yourself why...why would a team take either a pending rfa in hags or a pending ufa zucc, one who will look to cash in one his one good season? You dont trade any assets for a undersize quick player. Here let me give you a top 6 player for one who is a 3rd liner and make you better...right...oh wait you will throw in AAAA players who can crack your squad so they can play with my teams AAAA players on my ahl team...yippie..deal...wait..u will also throw in a second rounder too...wow... dont expect this to happen. Yes the gomez for mcd deal looks extremely one sided those are thr RARE deals not the norm.
You're lost Al. Teams crave speed. Hagelin was a beast in the playoffs last year. He should have had about 10 more points. Even with his lack of finishing, he had every team on their heals. Hagelin is a top defensive forward with 30-40 point offense. Zucc is a legit 40-50 player who is sound defensively. If you think those guys grow on trees, you're on smoke. I don't think people are saying a team will give up a 2nd line power forward for those guys. However, I don't teams out there worry about signing Zucc if they trade for him. Zucc wants to play in the NHL and now he's looking to cash in. Give him a good contract, good chance he'll sign with that team. If the Canucks wanted to put together a package of Gaunce, Kassian and a 2nd for Zucc I would roll the dice and do it. I think the Canucks would do that deal in about 5 seconds. I think AV stands a good chance of turning Kassian into our Pouliot and Gaunce into another Boyle.
