I'm also the same person who said Trey Burke is a player when he was #36 on draftnet and who said we should take the greek freak before we picked CJ McCollum, and if I said Exum would be a player, he would be, he's a 19 years old playing for the first time outside his country, Bogut was considered a bust as well, talk to me in two years.
"2 young studs" is just laughable. Both are good for a quick jolt of energy, and then they stay on the court too long and you quickly realize why they don't get more playing time. I don't think Robinson will ever "get it" personally. And at this point, both are in that trade strictly as expiring contacts. I'm ok moving expirings we won't keep around and a 1st to upgrade our bench
We have a huge hole at the 3 after Batum... Obviously neither of them are able to step up and fill that hole. Robinson has fallen to the bottom of the ladder for posts, just as Barton has at SG. Neither is making a difference too much. Chandler would. You are thinking like a rebuilding team where it's more important to have lots of "potential" hoping it develops. We are a team making a push for the NBA Finals. Sometimes you give up "potential" guys for veterans who can play now. BTW Stotts has looked like a pretty good coach for a "loser" and I wouldn't call Chandler at 27 over the hill.
Well for one thing, the 2 young studs who are sitting patiently on the end of the bench.....probably won't be on our team in another 4 months. So I think most people are thinking that replacing them with a 27 year old vet who has skills and another year on his contract, is worth a late 1st round pick if it can help us in the playoffs. Plus I think we can resign both next summer if they actually do want to come back....for the right price.
I think T-Rob has a home with an Eastern team somewhere. I think him in Cleveland would be really good, he is a decent defender and hustles add LeBron to that and who knows?
Gimme a break, Trob and Will have had many chances and I have seen no improvement in any important sense, contrast that to Meyers who has seen a lot of improvement this year. Trob and Will are dime a dozen NBA players and no more and Trob is an expiring in any case, giving up a late pick IMO is a fair price for Chandler and IMO a good trade to add to our bench.
I really wanted Trob to be good, to the point I was mad when we picked up Meyer's option and not him, but that's looking to be the right move now. I think he'd be a good top of the bench guy, but he needs to go to a team like Denver where he has time to develop on a team with no expectations, same with Will.
Meyers has played through many games in which my eyes hurt by watching him, now we play him at PF and he is finally effective. My problem was not with him to begin with, I didn't oppose us extending him, I had a problem with not extending T-Rob. Should I remind you the Jermaine Oneal trade? we were in win-now mode, Jerm was not getting any minutes, we traded him for a fucking all=star. T-Rob on the right situation is as good as Jermaine was. Keep him, re-sign him, even if you don't play him. don't make the same fucking mistake twice.
When he gets big minutes he plays well (Bucks game in December). He really needs to work on his FT's though.
I could see the argument about Robinson. I think he could still go somewhere and be a good player. Not the star he was supposed to be, but he could be a solid double double guy. We just don't have the time and patience to develop him. Neil brought him in when we thought we were still a year or two away from competing in the west. Last year was a major jump for us, and it pretty much eliminated any chance of being able to develop guys like Robinson or Barton. Those two need minutes, and we can't afford to give them minutes. Barton needs a ton of PT. He is extremely raw, and we already have CJ and Crabbe. Someone had to go, and in this case it's Barton. Our bench needs consistent scoring. It needs some stability. Wilson Chandler (or Afflalo or Martin or whoever) is going to provide some stability. The timeline was sped up, which means Neil has to make moves to help us win now. That's why we brought in Blake. That's why we brought in Kaman. That's why we're rumored to be looking at guys like Wilson Chandler.
Oh come on t-rob is not another Jermaine O'Neal. I dunno if I've ever come across fans from another fan base who are so terrified of a 15 year old move, that EVERY young guy ever thrown in trade discussions brings up a mention of him. It's really ridiculous
I don't think he's a Jermaine. He's not a superstar in the making. He could very well be a solid guy though. Hell, he could average a double double with enough playing time, but we already have one of (if not the) best power forwards in the game. There was never going to be enough minutes to develop Robinson. He needs a team like Philly.
We shouldn't rush things. Just because we think we're better than we thought doesn't mean we have to make reckless moves. Chandler is a solid player but so is Crabbe and he's not getting any minutes, if we have such a hole behind Batum why isn't he playing? Blake and Kaman are getting older, if CJ develops into a good backup 1 we can let both go after next year. You don't know what's going to happen, don't mortgage the future just because we're doing good right now. T-Rob, Barton and a pick are worth much, much more than Wilson Chandler, if we're offered Kelly Olynyk or some other real talent (preferably young) than I would consider it but for someone who really isn't that much better than Allen Crabbe, why should we make such a trade?
I think he could average a double double similar to the way jj Hickson did here. But I don't think it'd be for a good team
I'll give it a shot. First, we're making a playoff run, so players 11-15 on your roster don't really matter. In the playoffs, we won't go deeper than 10. Whether you or I or anyone else likes it, the coach does not consider Barton and Robinson to be in our top 10. It doesn't really matter why though I suspect it's because of fit in the case of Robinson and dumbass turnovers in the case of Barton. The bench has improved this year it's not because of Kaman and Blake "break-down" opposing defenses - it's because they're solid. They know where to be on defense and offense. They're a steadying influence on the younger players. Adding another vet, one that can actually make things happen in addition to having a good head on his shoulders in a position on need could really help. As for Stotts, he's a great coach. You're just letting your emotions get the better of you because you think Robinson should be playing ahead of Biebs. I'm sympathetic, but Biebs has undeniably been playing well lately. p.s. young studs with a lot of potential who don't crack the regular rotation eventually disrupt chemistry.
Yeah, I like Will and TRob and I've been rooting for them, especially TRob. I think if this were to happen it would be great for both of them though. They should both get a lot of opportunity in Denver and Denver seem to play a style of game that would fit them. Since I doubt either is back next year this seems like a no-brainer for a team trying to make a run in the Western Conference this year. I hope this happens if for no other reason than plan-B Prince doesn't exactly get me excited, at least not without a Hot Tub Time Machine set to four years ago.
