Credit SunnyD for the idea. I decided to expand on his to get more NBA discussion going. Anywho, this is based on the players' careers, not currently. Feel free to make your own lists. Here's mine:1. Pau Gasol2. Jason Richardson3. Gilbert Arenas4. Joe Johnson5. Richard Jefferson6. Tony Parker7. Zach Randolph8. Troy Murphy9. Mehmet Okur10. Shane Battier11. Eddy Curry12. Tyson Chandler13. Bobby Simmons14. Gerald Wallace15. Jamaal Tinsley16. Samuel Dalembert17. Vladimir Radmanovic18. Kwame Brown19. Earl Watson20. Brendan HaywoodDid I leave anyone out? Or do you just diagree? Comments...?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 8 2006, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Credit SunnyD for the idea. I decided to expand on his to get more NBA discussion going. Anywho, this is based on the players' careers, not currently. Feel free to make your own lists. Here's mine:1. Pau Gasol2. Jason Richardson3. Gilbert Arenas4. Joe Johnson5. Richard Jefferson6. Tony Parker7. Zach Randolph8. Troy Murphy9. Mehmet Okur10. Shane Battier11. Eddy Curry12. Tyson Chandler13. Bobby Simmons14. Gerald Wallace15. Jamaal Tinsley16. Samuel Dalembert17. Vladimir Radmanovic18. Kwame Brown19. Earl Watson20. Brendan HaywoodDid I leave anyone out? Or do you just diagree? Comments...?</div>Gerald Wallace behind Bobby Simmons is a joke. I would've witched Gilbert with Gasol. But the rest I agree with. Nice job.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>1. Pau Gasol2. Jason Richardson3. Gilbert Arenas4. Joe Johnson5. Richard Jefferson6. Tony Parker7. Zach Randolph8. Troy Murphy9. Mehmet Okur10. Shane Battier11. Eddy Curry12. Tyson Chandler13. Bobby Simmons14. Gerald Wallace15. Jamaal Tinsley16. Samuel Dalembert17. Vladimir Radmanovic18. Kwame Brown19. Earl Watson20. Brendan Haywood</div>- Gilbert Arenas needs to be over Pau Gasol- Tony Parker should be higher- Gerald Wallace needs to be higher than Bobby Simmons
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>1. Pau Gasol2. Jason Richardson3. Gilbert Arenas4. Joe Johnson5. Richard Jefferson6. Tony Parker7. Zach Randolph8. Troy Murphy9. Mehmet Okur10. Shane Battier11. Eddy Curry12. Tyson Chandler13. Bobby Simmons14. Gerald Wallace15. Jamaal Tinsley16. Samuel Dalembert17. Vladimir Radmanovic18. Kwame Brown19. Earl Watson20. Brendan Haywood</div>* Gilbert Arenas should be second on the list.* Joe Johnson should be rank a head of Jason Richardson.* Gerald Wallace should be rank a head of Bobby Simmons.* Kwame Brown should be higher than Samuel Dalembert and Jamaal Tinsley.
Thanks for expanding out on my idea.I agree with everything said against yours CB4, except for JJ over JRich. I think Richard Jefferson should be on top of Joe Johnson though. And Chandler>Curry.
1. Gilbert Arenas2. Pau Gasol3. Joe Johnson4. Jason Richardson5. Richard Jefferson6. Tony Parker7. Zach Randolph8. Troy Murphy9. Mehmet Okur10. Shane Battier11. Eddy Curry12. Tyson Chandler13. Gerald Wallace14. Bobby Simmons15. Jamaal Tinsley16. Kwame Brown17. Samuel Dalembert18. Vladimir Radmanovic19. Earl Watson20. Brendan Haywood
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Dec 8 2006, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Gilbert Arenas2. Pau Gasol3. Joe Johnson4. Jason Richardson5. Richard Jefferson6. Tony Parker7. Zach Randolph8. Troy Murphy9. Mehmet Okur10. Shane Battier11. Eddy Curry12. Tyson Chandler13. Gerald Wallace14. Bobby Simmons15. Jamaal Tinsley16. Kwame Brown17. Samuel Dalembert18. Vladimir Radmanovic19. Earl Watson20. Brendan Haywood</div>Yeah thats pretty solid rankings, I just think Parker, Curry and Randolph should be higher. Parker top 5.
I don't think Parker's a top 5. He's not a great distributor and has questionable leader skills. He and Jefferson are interchangeable I suppose.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Dec 8 2006, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Parker's a top 5. He's not a great distributor and has questionable leader skills. He and Jefferson are interchangeable I suppose.</div>Just because Parker doesn't have huge assists numbers does not mean he is not a good distributor. He is just not in the type of offense where he monopolizes the ball for long periods of time. In his offense, he will pass the ball and go into motion, instead of standing there waiting for the ball to come to him again. If I was doing this, I think I would put him up ahead of Jefferson.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Dec 8 2006, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>- Gilbert Arenas needs to be over Pau Gasol- Tony Parker should be higher- Gerald Wallace needs to be higher than Bobby Simmons</div>I based this off of their careers. Gilbert Arenas has only been a star for like 2 and a bit seasons, and the only thing he excells at is scoring..Pau Gasol gives you a little bit of everything for a big man, and he has been the face of the Grizzlies since he was drafted. I still like Pau over Gilbert for their careers.What? I'd take RJ over Tony Parker career wise, any day..And you may be right about Gerald Wallace. I dont see why everyone thinks Gilbert should be #1. All he is great at is scoring, and he has only been putting up 20+ digits for 2 seasons now..
arenas put up 19.6 in 0325.5 in 0429.3 in 05 and is not putting up 26.8 this year. I would definately say he is ahead of pau gasol, he can still become better, id have to say pau is already as good as hes gonna get
1. Pau Gasol 2. Gilbert Arenas 3. Tony Parker (Very close to Arenas in my book) 4. Richard Jefferson 5. Joe Johnson 6. Jason Richardson 7. Zach Randolph 8. Mehmet Okur 9. Gerald Wallace10. Shane Battier11. Troy Murphy
Youve got Tony Parker too high in my opinion. He only had one outstanding year (last season), whereas guys like Jason Richardson and Richard Jefferson have been great players since day one.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 8 2006, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Youve got Tony Parker too high in my opinion. He only had one outstanding year (last season), whereas guys like Jason Richardson and Richard Jefferson have been great players since day one.</div> Finding a game manager and efficient scorer is harder to find than an athletic wing player in my opinion. Jason Richardson was not great from day one, he had to work his way up like Tony Parker. For me, look past the scoring and the dunk hype...I'd much rather have Tony Parker on my team.
Well, Jason Richardson has always been a good scorer. He averaged 15 from the very startand around 20 ppg the last 3 years. Tony Parker's only outstanding season was last year, whereas Jason Richardson has always been a very good scorer. Richard Jefferson on the other hand is a 17-18 ppg guy who plays good defense, and shoots at a very good clip.And by the way, Tony Parker's playmaking is overrated. He is not a great passer for a point guard.Just realized that Gilbert Arenas should have been over J-Rich for sure. My bad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 8 2006, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, Jason Richardson has always been a good scorer. He averaged 15 from the very startand around 20 ppg the last 3 years. Tony Parker's only outstanding season was last year, whereas Jason Richardson has always been a very good scorer. Richard Jefferson on the other hand is a 17-18 ppg guy who plays good defense, and shoots at a very good clip.And by the way, Tony Parker's playmaking is overrated. He is not a great passer for a point guard.Just realized that Gilbert Arenas should have been over J-Rich for sure. My bad.</div> Who cares what they did as rookies or in their first couple of years. I'm going by now, all these players are at the age where they should be playing their best. Tony Parker is obviously at the point where he will keep averaging 19/5 and shoot a ridiculous 50% from the field. I'd also like to point out that San Antonio's system doesn't make Parkers playmaking standout...he's a good point who isn't flashy...he plays strictly in the system...it's a conservative and slow system...and Richardson will average 22 points and be a streak shooter who gets to the FT line a lot. All over the NBA their are players like Jason Richardson who put up 20ppg. Not many PG's out there that score 19ppg and run a team like Parker can...the guy is so efficient on offense...it's crazy...very smart.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 8 2006, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares what they did as rookies or in their first couple of years. I'm going by now, all these players are at the age where they should be playing their best. Tony Parker is obviously at the point where he will keep averaging 19/5 and shoot a ridiculous 50% from the field. I'd also like to point out that San Antonio's system doesn't make Parkers playmaking standout...it's a conservative and slow system...and Richardson will average 22 points and be a streak shooter who gets to the FT line a lot. All over the NBA their are players like Jason Richardson who put up 20ppg. Not many PG's out there that score 19ppg and run a team like Parker can...the guy is so efficient on offense...it's crazy...very smart.</div>I clearly said at the start of this topic that it was about what these players have done so far in their careers. And J-Rich has scored 20+ ppg the last 2 years anyway. Yeah, Parker is a great player now, but in the early stages J-Rich was clearly better, and this topic is about their entire careers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 8 2006, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I clearly said at the start of this topic that it was about what these players have done so far in their careers. And J-Rich has scored 20+ ppg the last 2 years anyway. Yeah, Parker is a great player now, but in the early stages J-Rich was clearly better, and this topic is about their entire careers.</div> How was he clearly better? Because he scored a few more points? Weak argument my friend. Tony Parkers been leading an elite playoff team since his 2nd season...and Jason Richardson so far has been a streak shooting scorer on a terrible team...I don't care if he averaged 4 more points a game or not....
