Re: Iverson's best fit The Big news - Iverson demanded a trade...finally. Anyways - this has to happen soon - Iverson is the franchise of the 76ers, you can't have the face of the franchise staying in the system for too long - it obviously doesn't present a good message to the young guys, and it just doesn't work especially that he specifically said that he doesn't respect his coach.For this, I want to forget all money, all technicalities - where do you think Iverson will be the best fit?It doesn't need to be said that Philly won't be getting a fair value for Iverson - but that's just the unfortunate case for Philly.Post your lineups and explain. I'll post mine in a little bit.
Re: Iverson's best fit the Twolves I say.Mostly because KG would welcome him I'm sure. And AI can score and KG provides D and a help. They would play off each other well I think. Minny just needs to build around them.
Re: Iverson's best fit I think Denver would really be the best fit for Iverson, but not really the best trading partner when you look at what they have to offer the Sixers. What's my reasoning? Well, first off I'll admit that I haven't really followed Denver all that much this season so some of my thoughts about their system, players, etc., maybe slightly off or completely wrong. Also keep in mind that I haven't really taken into account what kind of deal would be made... so some of the players I speak of (Camby, Smith, etc.) may or may not be in a Denver uniform if the AI-to-Denver trade actually goes down.Denver has Carmelo Anthony, who they obviously will not give up in any deal for AI. Anthony and Iverson are really close friends, and Anthony made his opinions felt about playing with Iverson over the summer when he reportedly approached Denver management and asked them to pursue Iverson.Now, the combination of Iverson and Anthony would be absolutely lethal. I don't want to hear the argument that Iverson won't give up the ball, etc., because if he is willing to give the ball up to Webber as much as he does, why the hell wouldn't he give it up to a player of 'Melo's caliber? Iverson is tired of losing, and it seems he is willing to do whatever it takes to win ball games.So, Carmelo and AI are both averaging around 30 points per game. They will obviously be carrying the bulk of the scoring load for Denver, and the rest of the roster fits perfectly around them. Guys like Reggie Evans and Eduardo Najera will get easy buckets off of AI's penetration, as well as garbage points on tip-ins, etc. Reminds me of the 2001 Sixers (especially with Camby at center to anchor the defense)... except Denver has better offensive players than those 2001 Sixers did around Iverson.JR Smith, assuming he isn't involved in the deal, will provide the three-point shooting to spread the floor. If he is involved in the deal I'm sure that the Nuggets will try to get Kyle Korver from the Sixers as well, as they still need a consistent long distance threat.Another huge factor is Carmelo's age. Because he is so young, the window of opportunity for the Nuggets to win a ring is bigger than it would be for a team like Minnesota if AI was to be paired up with KG. Once Allen's game begins to decline, he could easily sit back and take more of a playmaking role and allow Carmelo to carry the bulk of the scoring load on his own while still dropping in 20 to 25 points a game.
Re: Iverson's best fit CelticsCeltics Give: Al Jefferson, Delonte West, Sebastian TelfairSixers Give: Allen Iverson and Steven HunterLineup for CelticsPG Allen Iverson/Rajon RondoSG: Paul Pierce/Tony Allen/Allan RaySF: Ryan Gomes/Gerald Green/Brian ScalabrinePF: Theo Ratliff/Steven Hunter/Leon Powe (Powe/Hunter is a toss up)C: Kendrick Perkins/Michael OlowokandiLineup for SixersPG: Sebastian Telfair/Delonte West/Kevin OllieSG: Kyle Korver/Willie Green/Rodney CarneySF: Andre Iguodala/Steven Smith/Bobby JonesPF: Chris Webber/Al Jefferson/Alan HendersonC: Samual Dalembert/Shavlik Randolph/Ivan McFarlinto be honest I don't know much about the 76ers outside of the starting lineup so if I'm wrong with my 2nd and 3rd string players correct me
Re: Iverson's best fit I think Memphis would be a excellent place for him. Many people say he scores too much and doesn't share enough(which with 7apg, I dont understand). But with Memphis, whos scoring was terrible last year and were only good because they had the best defense in the NBA. But Iverson will be put in a role, most likely SG, where he wants to play. He will be asked to score and with Gasol be unselfish, there shouldnt be any problems when he comes back. The trade would look somehting like Eddie Jones+Dahntey Jones+Alexander Johnson for Iverson. You dont get a star in return, which doesn't happen anymore when you trade a star. You do get a $15mill expiring, a very tough and good defender in Dahntey Jones and a "shouldve-been" 1st rnd pick. This deal would set Philly up for the future maybe getting a big free agent. As for Memphis, their lineup might look small if AI is put in a SG roleG-Chucky AtkinsSG-Allen IversonSF-Rudy Gay(Miller coming off the bench)PF-Hakim WarrickC-Pau Gasol(when he gets back, with Stro at C before it)Memphis will finally get that scorer weve been needing, and by the time AI starts to decline, Rudy Gay wouldve developed into the star we expect him to be. I think this is a successful trade for both teams.Remember, im a fan of both teams and as a fan of both teams, I think this sets both up very well. Andre Igoudala is capable of getting 20ppg 5apg 5rpg if made the 1st option. And they get tons of cap space. The only problem they might have is at PG, which we can throw in Tarence Kinsey for all I care.
Re: Iverson's best fit ^Man your sort of like pacerfan, but instead you mention the Grizz. Biased much?
Re: Iverson's best fit How am I being biased on this? This was a thought I read about last offseason, the article is old now but it was pretty much EJ and a couple young players for AI.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Denver would really be the best fit for Iverson, but not really the best trading partner when you look at what they have to offer the Sixers. What's my reasoning? Well, first off I'll admit that I haven't really followed Denver all that much this season so some of my thoughts about their system, players, etc., maybe slightly off or completely wrong. Also keep in mind that I haven't really taken into account what kind of deal would be made... so some of the players I speak of (Camby, Smith, etc.) may or may not be in a Denver uniform if the AI-to-Denver trade actually goes down.Denver has Carmelo Anthony, who they obviously will not give up in any deal for AI. Anthony and Iverson are really close friends, and Anthony made his opinions felt about playing with Iverson over the summer when he reportedly approached Denver management and asked them to pursue Iverson.Now, the combination of Iverson and Anthony would be absolutely lethal. I don't want to hear the argument that Iverson won't give up the ball, etc., because if he is willing to give the ball up to Webber as much as he does, why the hell wouldn't he give it up to a player of 'Melo's caliber? Iverson is tired of losing, and it seems he is willing to do whatever it takes to win ball games.So, Carmelo and AI are both averaging around 30 points per game. They will obviously be carrying the bulk of the scoring load for Denver, and the rest of the roster fits perfectly around them. Guys like Reggie Evans and Eduardo Najera will get easy buckets off of AI's penetration, as well as garbage points on tip-ins, etc. Reminds me of the 2001 Sixers (especially with Camby at center to anchor the defense)... except Denver has better offensive players than those 2001 Sixers did around Iverson.JR Smith, assuming he isn't involved in the deal, will provide the three-point shooting to spread the floor. If he is involved in the deal I'm sure that the Nuggets will try to get Kyle Korver from the Sixers as well, as they still need a consistent long distance threat.Another huge factor is Carmelo's age. Because he is so young, the window of opportunity for the Nuggets to win a ring is bigger than it would be for a team like Minnesota if AI was to be paired up with KG. Once Allen's game begins to decline, he could easily sit back and take more of a playmaking role and allow Carmelo to carry the bulk of the scoring load on his own while still dropping in 20 to 25 points a game.</div> Yeah, but who would you trade for Iverson? Denver simply doesn't have the attractive pieces.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Dec 8 2006, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^Man your sort of like pacerfan, but instead you mention the Grizz. Biased much?</div>My words exactly, and heres my reasoning: Why does everyone think they can get Iverson so easily, Billy King is probably going to make his biggest trade now/or in a long time. You expect him to get crappy players in return? Is there a reason that the players you suggested get traded for Iverson dont average more than 8 points? Is there a reason one averages 1 point? (which I find funny by the way), the Sixers would totally get ripped if this deal is done.
Re: Iverson's best fit Ok.....it was just a idea kid. Its been thrown out there before. You know sometimes, you have to take a step back to take two forward.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 8 2006, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok.....it was just a idea kid. Its been thrown out there before. You know sometimes, you have to take a step back to take two forward.</div>Unless your taking 5 steps back and 1 forward.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>How am I being biased on this? This was a thought I read about last offseason, the article is old now but it was pretty much EJ and a couple young players for AI.</div> My point is you always bring up the Grizz in a topic just because your a fan of them. How about opening up about other teams. It's very in vain to Pacerfan who likes to always mention the Pacers.
Re: Iverson's best fit I think the Pistons would be a good fit because I love Detroit and Iverson owns.In all seriousness, perhaps the Bulls. In an AI for Ben Gordon type of deal, with fillers and such. His presence could help kick start this slow team.But relying on just best fit, then I'd say Utah, if I'm forgetting about all technicalities. Deron Williams, AI, AK-47, Boozer, and Okur would make a sweet starting five, with suddenly a deep bench.
Re: Iverson's best fit I'm not exactly sure what team would be the best fit, because you have to factor in what the team looks like after a trade, and who is still there. But the best trading partner is probably Boston right now. Is that being biased because I want Iverson/Pierce together? Maybe a little, but at the same time it's true. We have the combination of young talent, picks, and salary matchers (Wally and Ratliff. Ratliff's expires in 2 years). I think we are a great trading partner in this situation, and apparently we could have had Iverson on draft night had Ainge pulled the trigger (according to Andy Katz, who is an excellent and credible insider).Minnesota is a nice FIT, I mean think about it - KG and AI. Enough said. But I don't think they really have the pieces to give up. Denver, same thing.
Re: Iverson's best fit Its called rebuilding. In the trade, they get 15mill expiring, that plus Webbers 20mill expiring next year is going to be crazy for them. They may be able to pick up a player to go along with Andre Igoudala. There are rarely star for star trades anymore, I do see a Telfair+Green thing for AI working, but I dont think Boston would be a contender. AI isnt what they need.<please dont jump on that, its just my opinion.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 8 2006, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think the Pistons would be a good fit because I love Detroit and Iverson owns.In all seriousness, perhaps the Bulls. In an AI for Ben Gordon type of deal, with fillers and such. His presence could help kick start this slow team.But relying on just best fit, then I'd say Utah, if I'm forgetting about all technicalities. Deron Williams, AI, AK-47, Boozer, and Okur would make a sweet starting five, with suddenly a deep bench.</div>I disagree about Chicago. They need an inside presence, not a perimiter player with average defense that won't play in the flow of Skiles' offense. Of course they have the best young team in the NBA, but Gordon is overrated and they have a great young core going with cohesiveness.Utah, no. Why mess with something that is going so well?
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Dec 8 2006, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My point is you always bring up the Grizz in a topic just because your a fan of them. How about opening up about other teams. It's very in vain to Pacerfan who likes to always mention the Pacers.</div>Well I tend to do that, but ill start posting about other teams too then. But its hard to cause sometimes certain fans dont agree with me on their team and start talking sh*t about the grizzlies.
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 8 2006, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but who would you trade for Iverson? Denver simply doesn't have the attractive pieces.</div>That was what I was thinking about... I really don't know who I'd want. Andre Miller has an expiring contract, JR Smith has potential but I'm not so sure I want him, and other than that there really isn't anything remotely attractive.Boston has the most attractive trading pieces for the Sixers, but they are in the same division and I hope Billy King isn't stupid enough to trade Iverson to a team within the same division.And for everybody who thinks Philly is going to get good value in return, you've got to be kidding me. The agents who made Iverson's trade demand public (even though it would have gotten out eventually anyway) basically screwed Billy King over. Every GM in the league now knows Iverson wants out... so they can get him for 20 or 30 cents on the dollar. If King doesn't make a deal, the team is screwed. They all know King needs to trade Iverson... and thus they can get away with offering a crap trade in return instead of something that would be considered "fair value."
Re: Iverson's best fit <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Eliminate the Knicks from the git-go; there's not a chowder clam's chance of the 76ers taking Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis off Isiah Thomas' Dead Sea payroll. Why wouldn't the staggering Celtics still be interested? The 76ers can do a lot worse than accept several of their young players along with, say, chronically injured Theo Ratliff, who would be allowed to retire gracefully. The Hawks, too, possess a surplus of young talent at several positions, though the startling play of Tyronn Lue is packing them in (four sellouts in eight home games) so far.</div> http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htmmy thoughts exactly.
