One thing that concerns me

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  1. kreidertime

    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    Maybe I'm off on this. It sure seems like the defense of this team gives up a ton more high quality scoring chances than the past years. Maybe it's the team being more confident offensively and not paying attention to detail to defense.
     
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    BigDaddyAl1973 Well-Known Member

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    give and take....

    scoring over 5 goals a game lately, you are going to give up quality chances
     
  3. kreidertime

    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    Most fans don't get how good Kreider is when he plays playoff hockey like he did against the Islanders. This guy has the ability to be 80 points a season. Honestly, he plays in the playoffs like Ovechkin does in the regular season when it comes to intensity. Said it many times. If Kreider played half the regular season games with playoff intensity, he would be 30-30 in his sleep.
     
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    BigDaddyAl1973 Well-Known Member

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    he has the speed and has very good shot...the last thing missing is the finishing touch around the crease on those breakaways
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    I'll say this, the play of the 3rd line recently has really made the debate/discussion of where we spend our one bullet an interesting one.

    Do we spend our main bullet on a forward like Vermette/Winnik and then use a smaller chip on maybe a depth dman like a Diaz type with regards to cost OR do we change course now and spend our main bullet on a dman like Sekera to give us an awesome top 6, and then maybe add a depth forward to the 4th line mix for cheap.

    I am still on the side of add the forward like Vermette/Winnik and a lesser dman, but it is closer now. Reasons are I don't want to have to rely on BOTH Hayes and Miller all playoffs. I also think our 6th dman duo of Moore/Hunwick is solid, especially if we add another lesser dman to the mix. And lastly, how much does the 3rd pair of D really play in the playoffs. You know the top 4 will play a ton.

    But it is now a very interesting and close debate.
     
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    BigDaddyAl1973 Well-Known Member

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    definitely top 9 forward..i am confident if needed we could bring up Connor Allen in a pinch ..very odd that they wont give lindberg a chance though since he was supposly a face off wiz in the Swedish elite league
     
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    cagedlion "I am the problem, and I am the solution."

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    Giving the puck up on their D zone is serious cause for concern.

    Also.........not being able to get the puck out of their zone.

    IF THIS IS NOT CORRECTED, RANGERS WILL BE ONE ROUND
    AND OUT.


    ................AND THAT'S WITH WHOMEVER IS IN GOAL.
     
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    Ranger71 Well-Known Member

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    Sekera would be a nice way to bolster the D with more offensive punch. Petry might even be more attainable but won't give you quite the O. Either are head and shoulders better than Moore and obviously Hunwick.
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    You could make the case come playoff time, they turn the defensive game up a ton.
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    So let me ask you straight out dump. Use the big bullet on the dman like Sekera OR use the big bullet on a forward like Winnik or Vermette?

    Where do you come down. And pick one don't say neither...:).
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to say Sekera. With the emergence of Hayes and Miller now sticking, seems like the offense is good enough. I suspect you can deal J. Moore, a 2nd and perhaps Lindberg and have a shot of getting Sekera. Maybe now. Defense has been shaky lately.
     
  12. cagedlion

    cagedlion "I am the problem, and I am the solution."

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    I wonder if AV goes with Skapski in goal. He should. Ranger D
    looks like they are tired and skating in mud. Not a good sign.
    Team has 3 good lines. Our 4th line is a liability while the better
    teams' 4th lines are game changers.
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    The kid is starting tonight. Let's see what he has. First start...may make Cam look like Hank...:).

    As for your call dump, I may agree. Hard to say because I don't want to rely on BOTH Hayes and Miller in the playoffs, but I also like the idea of making our D so deep and talented.

    I have been saying we must add top 9 forward depth all season, but I can see the merit in going bigger on D and just added a depth forward for some grit and faceoffs.
     
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    At this point we need the D-man before another forward
     
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    cagedlion "I am the problem, and I am the solution."

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    I'm leaning toward a D man. J.Moore, Boyle, Hunwick.....there is
    a need for a better D man.
     
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    I agree cage but I don't know why clearing the puck has become such a problem since the Rangers were pretty good at it last year. The turnover problem is not limited to the defense as forwards have been just as guilty. Even in last night's game with 5 minutes left a Ranger turned the puck over at the goal line leading to a short breakaway chance. The Rangers could add a Winnik or Vermette if Hags or Zucc is part of the deal but I think defense is a priority. I would have liked to see Allen or McIlrath up as the 7th guy over Hunwick just to get the experience.
     
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    cagedlion "I am the problem, and I am the solution."

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    Panzer, it is true that the forwards are also to blame....some seem to be
    out of position and others are overplaying the puck......leaving it on the
    D men and the goalie. AV is piling up the minutes on Girardi, Staal, and
    McDonagh and it is showing. Can't compare last year's squad with this
    year's. Rangers are much younger than last year. It may take a full year
    if the core stays the same for the Rangers to be legit SC contenders.
    Yes, they have a shot this year, but moving forward they just do not
    look right. Hank's injury is telling. With the way GMs stack their rosters
    in accordance with the team's Cap situation, teams just do not have the
    same periphery players. Right now I just do not think Allen or McIlrath
    will help the D situation.
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    They are not going to deal Zucc IMO. They like him a lot and want to bring him back. Only caveat I see is if Zucc is crazy with his demands and wants 5 mill + on a long term deal.
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    Like I said before. Zucc has gone from playing himself out of town into a long term contract. St. Louis on the other hand won't be back. Even if he takes less. I think Sather and AV will go with a young kid. Either Duclair, Buch or deal for a 20 goal type with some physical play.
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    Thought the Kings were done, now they are on fire. I still don't think they are any good. Their defense is not what it was last year. Losing Voynov and Mitchell was huge. I wonder with this hot streak if they will now not make a deal. I think that would be a disaster for them. The Rangers made their defense look bad last year in the finals. If not for the incompetent finishing of Nash, Kreider and Hagelin, the cup would be in NY.

    I wonder if Sather thinks Boyle might be a liability in the playoffs and decides to go after a right handed defenseman like Petry. Figuring he can use Moore and Hunwick as a platoon. Moore to me raised his play in the playoffs last year. I thought he was real good.

    Nova is in love with the right handed shot. He does have somewhat of a point. I would absolutely like to swap Stempniak and maybe Kristo for Ryder who is a UFA next year.
     

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