I didn't mean exactly 50. I meant if you kill 1 or 2 people spend the rest of your life in jail. But if its mass, then execute them, I don't think death for death(s) is ethical.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Dec 13 2006, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How f*cking harsh is it, when they've got meals each day, their laundry done, a warm place to sleep (not out on the street), they're working and earning money (it's like 15 cents/hour, but still!), they get to work out/play b-ball in the yard, even free satellite f*cking TV for christ's sake!</div>That's not even the issue. Educate yourself on American Prison Systems before you talk about them. There are esentially two kinds of jail, the one where you committed a petty crime, where they get all the ammenities you listed, and the other jail, where you murdered someone or committed a huge crime, the latter of which get nothing you listed. They are basically placed in solitary confinement. Do me a favor, and befor eyou judge how harsh it is, go sit in your room all day and do nothing, just sit on the floor, eat 3 small meals, and go to the bathroom if you need to and see how socially connected you feel. The point of all that is to dissociate the criminals that commit these crimes with society so people feel safe and sh*t. Killing them is as someone pointed out unethical and just stooping to their level. It costs more money to kill them than to just keep them in confinement, which is just as effective as killing them. Your post that I quoted makes no sense and has no relevance in this argument because they don't get those ammenities where they are after they commit a major crime.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Dec 13 2006, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's not even the issue. Educate yourself on American Prison Systems before you talk about them. There are esentially two kinds of jail, the one where you committed a petty crime, where they get all the ammenities you listed, and the other jail, where you murdered someone or committed a huge crime, the latter of which get nothing you listed. They are basically placed in solitary confinement. Do me a favor, and befor eyou judge how harsh it is, go sit in your room all day and do nothing, just sit on the floor, eat 3 small meals, and go to the bathroom if you need to and see how socially connected you feel. The point of all that is to dissociate the criminals that commit these crimes with society so people feel safe and sh*t. Killing them is as someone pointed out unethical and just stooping to their level. It costs more money to kill them than to just keep them in confinement, which is just as effective as killing them. Your post that I quoted makes no sense and has no relevance in this argument because they don't get those ammenities where they are after they commit a major crime.</div>Oh, so you've actually been to prison, eh? It's solitary confinement for EVERY SINGLE PRISONER in the state penitentiary, is it? Really? You SURE about that? Because in the state penn, they DO indeed get all of the amenities I've listed, and they've raped/killed/stolen, etc. Here's the difference: There's PRISON - Which is what we're talking aboutAnd then there's JAIL - Which is where you go for DUI's and spend the night before posting bail the next morning
wow I didn't know it cost more to put them to death!What they should do is get a bullet and shoot em in the head - that would cost like 60cents.I think death is the harsher one. Life in prison is still life - you'd have people to talk to and tehy get books and yard time - sounds like a holiday to me (im joking about that last part b4 someone gets sh*tty)
Not at all Clangus, think of all the apeals one would have to go through before they could shoot someone in the head. It cost money to do all that.They can just be accused, jude rules Guilty and shoot them 20 minutes later.
I don't know why is harsher, but the majority of people think death penalty is. Today a puerto rican was killed by lethal injection in Florida because of a murder he supposedly committed, and it was all over the news. I mean every channel at the same time.
Life in prison may seem more humane, but really, shouldn't we kill people who have killed multiple people? I mean these people have already proven they are detrimental to society, and are hopeless to change for the better. They are just going to sit in a prison and leech even more from the wallet's of citizens.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L_C @ Dec 14 2006, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Life in prison may seem more humane, but really, shouldn't we kill people who have killed multiple people? I mean these people have already proven they are detrimental to society, and are hopeless to change for the better. They are just going to sit in a prison and leech even more from the wallet's of citizens.</div>The cost difference in keeping a person in prison for life versus a death penalty case is not that much.The system doesn't work where we can kill tons of people. If we 'kill' every person who has killed people our court system would be in limbo and it would be costing taxpayers hundreds of millions for the cases. I wouldn't mind getting rid of those slime too sometimes but this country doesn't work that way.
Not that much? Doubt it!Average person costs like 10,000$ to be in jail for ONE YEAR. Most people who get put in jail are in the 20-30 age range. Since the average death age of a person dying in the United States in around 75, thats generously 450,000$ per person from age 30 to age 75. Pretty sure that killing someone by lethal injection doesn't cost almost 1/2 a million dollars. Taxpayer Cost: $450,000Cost to Prisoner: 0$<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The cost difference in keeping a person in prison for life versus a death penalty case is not that much</div>Usually, when a person is up for the death penalty, their case has already been decided. Especially with the death penalty, you know there have been some pretty terrible things done and the judge is positive that he's the killer.
Wait, you say that it costs less to feed and clothe a prisoner for 50+ years than it is to kill them? Besides that being completely incorrect, that's not even the point of this discussion. Life in prison is far worse for the prisoner. You're confined to one building for the rest of your life. Could you live like that? That would just suck. Every day, same routine. Worse than school, because it's on the weekends, too. You don't have the liberty to go on a walk when you want, play basketball in your backyard, call your friends, play your frickin' PS2 (okay, so maybe that's a positive thing considering the addictions these days), or even watch the news! Imagine it. Take the extremely boring and set routine of school, double that, extend it for the rest of your life, take away the part where you go home every day, and the part where you learn something other than "Why the %$@#% did I do that?". See the reality seeping in? Because I'm feeling it.
I'm talking about the cost of death penalty cases. If you want to put a guy to death it often times costs millions of dollars to put it through court. Of course lethal injection doesn't cost millions of dollars, it's the ridiculous cost of getting a death penalty conviction.Death Penalty has Cost New Jersey Taxpayers $253 MillionA New Jersey Policy Perspectives report concluded that the state's death penalty has cost taxpayers $253 million since 1983, a figure that is over and above the costs that would have been incurred had the state utilized a sentence of life without parole instead of death. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.ph...=108&scid=7 This is just one big example.
shove some facts back in ure face I guess.. and from New Jersey once again no less<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The NJDOC is responsible for 14 major institutions -- eight adult male correctional facilities, three youth facilities, one facility for sex offenders, one women's correctional institution and a central reception/intake unit -- as well as a Stabilization and Reintegration Program.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>These facilities collectively house approximately 23,000 inmates in minimum, medium and maximum security levels.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The annual institutional cost per inmate is approximately $28,000</div>- http://www.state.nj.us/corrections/freqntlyasked.html14 x 23,000 x 28,0009,016,000,000 = over 9 billion dollars in one yearcomparedto your253 Million since 1983
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L_C @ Dec 14 2006, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>shove some facts back in ure face I guess.. and from New Jersey once again no less- http://www.state.nj.us/corrections/freqntlyasked.html14 x 23,000 x 28,0009,016,000,000 = over 9 billion dollars in one yearcomparedto your253 Million since 1983</div> To keep a person in prison thats 30 years old, in a life sentense...like you said it's pretty much $500,000 to keep him in prison his whole life and his court costs are $35,000. You give him the death penalty and his court costs are $750,000 and add in the $500,000 to keep him in prison for decades, you waste tons more time with court appeals, lots of money on more investigating...I just don't think it's worth the time and the extra money when nobody gets executed anyway. "From a strictly financial perspective, it is hard to reach a conclusion other than this: New Jersey taxpayers over the last 23 years have paid more than a quarter billion dollars on a capital punishment system that has executed no one," the report concluded.
I regret re-starting this argument about which costs more. The point (at least I thought it was, reading the first post) was which was more harsh to the criminal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LiveAtTheHardwood @ Dec 14 2006, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I regret re-starting this argument about which costs more. The point (at least I thought it was, reading the first post) was which was more harsh to the criminal.</div> You didn't re-start anything...LC and I did...the topic was obviously going to come down to this...because debating which is harsher is boring and only gets more boring...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Dec 15 2006, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just take them, dress them like Mexicans, and set em loose round the redneck parts of texas.</div>Racist AND pointless. Vintage S2S!I think life in prison without patrol is worse. May not be cheaper, but it is worth and that is what this topic is about; not the cost, the harsher penalty.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Camby23Land @ Dec 15 2006, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Racist AND pointless. Vintage S2S!I think life in prison without patrol is worse. May not be cheaper, but it is worth and that is what this topic is about; not the cost, the harsher penalty.</div>I don't know how that's racist... the word Mexican isn't racist, that's what they're called.
