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  1. BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94

    BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 AWOL

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    Ray Allen to sit out the season
     
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    He's a homer what do you expect
     
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    So....just so I understand.

    A player has great stats but his team loses = he's a bum. eg Westbrook
    A player has decent stats and his team wins = he's a bum. eg Gasol

    So, if players are judged by neither team success nor individual stats - what are they judged by?
     
    oldmangrouch, Mar 4, 2015
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    Wether they are Blazers or not apparently
     
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    Exactly. He's a homer. Not objective whatsoever. For God sakes he has the Blazers logo tatted up he's in it for life on the homerism
     
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    Where to start? The word you used was "equivalences." Look up that previous post of yours. You did not say "equivalencies." Learn the English language please.

    You are in your twenties and never saw Laimbeer play so you don't know what you're talking about. You're just staring at numbers.

    Gobert destroyed Marc Gasol last night and you didn't even respond to that. There was nothing for you to say. Marc Gasol got his usual 8 rebounds while Gobert got 20+ rebounds. Marc Gasol is soft and doesn't do the hard work it takes to rebound the ball and help his team win, Grizzlies have only won 5 of last 10. You didn't respond to what I said about the Grizzlies choking on their chance to catch the Warriors. The Warriors opened the door and the Grizzlies decided to get blown out by the Jazz at home. They hate success and will never win anything meaningful.

    I'm 40 years old and don't go around calling people a child. That's what insecure people in their 20s do. I just have fun talking about basketball here. Lighten up.
     
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    This is just silly. In Laimbeer's best season, his PER was 3 points less than Gasol's this year. Laimbeer got more rebounds, while Gasol has more points, assists, blocks, and steals. Not to mention that he played in a much faster paced era (like 10% more possessions in 83-84 than 13-14), and there was nobody else on the Pistons that rebounded (his best years were pre-Rodman), whereas Gasol plays alongside Zach Randolph, whose total rebound percentage is better than Laimbeer's. Oh, and in the years the Pistons were winning conference titles, Laimbeer averaged 13/10. Most certainly not better than Gasol.

    Basically, comparing their rebounding numbers is silly considering the circumstances, and claiming that Laimbeer's numbers were better than Gasol's is simply unsupportable.
     
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    Wow, honkicracker deleted all his previous posts in our discussion. Embarrassed by his immature behavior no doubt.
     
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    PER doesn't account for defense and it doesn't account for his hard fouls and how he intimidated the other team and got under their skin. He was the most annoying player in the history of the game. I assume you're another young one who didn't watch him play. You're just staring at your advanced numbers. The reason the Laimbeer discussion happened is because I said I would pick Laimbeer on my team over Marc Gasol. I stand by that.
     
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    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    :bwpopcorn:

    For bustin' a dudes ass leaving out the letter "i" in his word, you misspelled intimidated.

    ;-)
     
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    Eric, that "you're too young to understand" argument is simply weak. For the record, I'm in my mid-30's, and I saw Laimbeer play (although later in his career). I despised him.

    However, I was responding to Mags' claim that Laimbeer put up superior numbers, not that he was a more impactful teammate. It's important to keep arguments in context.
     
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    That's not going to happen.
     
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    But when people are reasonable, it should. And when it doesn't, I'm perfectly willing to call him out on it. Mags has readily admitted error in similar situations; I'd like to thing KS should be able to do the same.
     
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    But once again, I will reiterate on how I believe Gasol is not an MVP. This is by a landslide to those
    This is not silly...

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/laimbbi01.html
    Laimbiers best season was 1985-86
    16.6 PPG, 13.1 rebounds, 49% FG, 18 PER

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolma01.html
    Marc's best season is this season
    18 ppg, 8 rebounds, 49% FG, 20 PER

    Now here is the skinny... Laimbeer never won an MVP...

    So how about we compare apples to apples here. It is definitely arguable that Laimbeer performed comparable to Gasol, while Gasol is the second option and Laimbeer was the 5th. Hard to argue if you ask me.

    But the REEEEEAAAAL argument is compare Gasol to Shaq, Robinson, and Hakeem... It's a fucking joke to think Gasol is even remotely MVP worthy...
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    This is silly alright.

    Marc Gasol isn't competing against Laimbeer or Robinson or any retired center for MVP of THIS SEASON.

    I'm not making any argument, other than the arguments comparing Gasol to past winners and losers of the MVP award is irrelevant.

    Compare him to the value of Westbrook and Harden and Lebron and Aldridge and anyone else in the running THIS SEASON.

    Please.
     
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    HAHAHAHAHA
     
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    Ok
     
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    Exactly.
     
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