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When I started what was to be my final job in '06 there was a black guy in the work force who was the resident "Rap" expert. You many not believe this but even as big as "Biggie" and Sixpac, I mean Tupac were I had never heard od them. Daily Mr Rap would inform me of all those Rap Stars and detail their life styles. Seems like they make all that money, and fame, then self create their own "hoods" to keep in touch with their alleged "roots" From everything I learned from Mr, Rap in the 5 years I worked with him my all or nothing at all lifestyle proved that I'd been for myself correct, that lifestyle is not for me. So when I hear of stuff like "Lil Wayne and the rest it truly is no surprise. Jesus Christ what started out as a hit for Blondie got totally out of control.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
When I started what was to be my final job in '06 there was a black guy in the work force who was the resident "Rap" expert. You many not believe this but even as big as "Biggie" and Sixpac, I mean Tupac were I had never heard od them. Daily Mr Rap would inform me of all those Rap Stars and detail their life styles. Seems like they make all that money, and fame, then self create their own "hoods" to keep in touch with their alleged "roots" From everything I learned from Mr, Rap in the 5 years I worked with him my all or nothing at all lifestyle proved that I'd been for myself correct, that lifestyle is not for me. So when I hear of stuff like "Lil Wayne and the rest it truly is no surprise. Jesus Christ what started out as a hit for Blondie got totally out of control.
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...ya know, a lot people are unaware of that fact...I remember playing "Rapture" as a DJ...and you're right, as far as I know it was actually the first rap song.

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I thought the tune was different, liked Blondie so cool. When that song was out I used to listen on the radion of my "B" driving into Fort Myer, the Police had De Doo, Doo, Doo, De Dah, Dah, Dah out about the same time. Yep tell a rapper that a honky chick did the first Rap Tune and catch the Reaction. I one told a black dude that the Beatles did You Really Got A Hold On Me better than Smokey Robinson and the Miracles. Thought the guy was going to have a stroke.
 
...as far as British roadsters, I had Triumphs...loved my TR6's...great cars...the Spitfire was little more than a go cart....British Leyland made an "MGC" which essentially was the same car as the MGB but with the torquey TR6 straight 6 in it.

...The Police was a great 3 man band...always liked Stuart Copeland's drumming...he was obviously influenced some by reggae music.

...another 3 man band whose drummer I liked was Don Brewer of Grand Funk...always liked his vocals better than Mark Farner's too.
 
Some one was telling me that Farner really hit the skids, Grand Funk did do some good stuff. There was a lot of good stuff out there twxt '70 and '76.
 
...yeah, I was amazed when I heard that Zappa was going to produce GFRR's final album. It didn't do much because the band was fighting and determined to split up while over-dubbing.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...ya know, a lot people are unaware of that fact...I remember playing "Rapture" as a DJ...and you're right, as far as I know it was actually the first rap song.

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I've been talking about this for years. Especially whenever I hear that this Dr Drad & guys like Snoopy dog & this puffy guy were the FOUNDERS of rap. NEWSFLASH! its been around longer then most of these guys have been alive. Hell when did Johnny Cash do "A boy named Sue"? The late 60s? And one of my favorites from over 50 years ago.
 
They were rapping in the cotton fields before a Republican President set them free......all your music from the 50s and 60s descended from the one true musical race. :blazerwookie:
 
totus44 said:
They were rapping in the cotton fields before a Republican President set them free......all your music from the 50s and 60s descended from the one true musical race. :blazerwookie:
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Sorry but "Nobody knows the trouble I've seen" is sung not spoken. therefor not rap.
 
lol...that's like me saying all of todays music descended from 50's and 60's music.
 
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Well lets bungle in the jungle, I've heard different versions of rap "origins" to include the ancient Celtic Chants, ditto speaking in tongues. No matter how one cuts the Rap Pie for me I will not consume. Found Grand Funks "Some Kind of Wonderful" on you tube gave it a run, great song and one I'd forgotten about.
 
...^^^ wish I had a dollar for every time I've listened to the "Closer to Home" album.
 
Also a fan with my favorite cut off the "Closer to home album" being Mean mistreater.
 
My two favorite Rock Bands of the 70's were The Moody Blues and Electric Light Orchestra, both turned out consistent high quality music that I still enjoy today.
 
Two great bands but my #1 70s group was Three dog night.
 
Bark! Bark! Bark! I saw Chuck Negron on one of those old intervention shows. some of those junkie habits and monetary expenditures are totally unbelievable. If 10 per cent of those shows are real I'd be amazed, showing out of work people residing in nice digs, getting money and stealing to support the habit. Christ even if the stuff were legal they'd be too effed up to hold a job to make the money to support the habit. In the Negron Episode however his son and grandson were both lost in the ozone with Commander Cody not in sight. I also remember reading John Phillips auto bio and if that guy did drugs in the manner and frequency that he described he either had an amazing constitution or should have been dead prior to when he went.
 
...yeah, Negron became a wreck. ("Easy to be Hard" was my fav of his.)
 
Steppenwolf, good stuff from that band as well. Tunes like Magic Carpet Ride, Who Needs Ya, and Sookie Sookie, were great for dancing as well as listening. Failing to check egos at the studio doors did them in as well.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Well lets bungle in the jungle, I've heard different versions of rap "origins" to include the ancient Celtic Chants, ditto speaking in tongues. No matter how one cuts the Rap Pie for me I will not consume. Found Grand Funks "Some Kind of Wonderful" on you tube gave it a run, great song and one I'd forgotten about.
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I was damn near stunned to hear that very unique Jethro Tull Passion Play Cliche, on FM radio, just 2 nights ago.

Satellite/Sirius has blown FM out the doors. Same with I-Net Radio, which has been big in the LA region since the mid 90s. Those stations get into some damn fine stuff. Live guests and tunes, old classic that are considered "Cult Classics".....or Music Musicians Listen to. One can hear a Band Featured over an hour or 3, as well as tunes, only die hards would know of, cuz they were never "Top 40" Billboard.***

L.A., Radio is not that great most of the time. Too afraid to take risks, depart from the mainstream, to play the "real" Classics, we all listened to, but weren't necessarily even in the Billboard Top 40. Not saying top 40 is bad or good, just the fact, alot of what was listened to in the 60s, 70s-80s was rarely even Billboard material. I haven't even heard "Were An American Band" on FM radio in years, let alone any of GF's other works, but you stand a good chance to hear any GF LP on the many Satellite or I-Net Stations out there.

I can't envision Zappa in that mix, or 3/4s of the Music alot of my buddies, and myself listened to in those era's. Never saw Hendrix grab a Number #1 hit; and No One but few have even heard of "The International Submarine Band" to know who the hell they were, let alone own a rare find of their one and only record.

***Great Music and "Billboard" sales rankings, doesn't always equate to great or even good music. (What's good music to the masses isn't always good to the Individual)..........
ex: Ry Cooder, Leo Kottke, Chicken Foot, The Magic Band, Clash in their day.... I've heard Clash being played from approx 98 to current, yet rarely if ever heard them on the radio in the mid 70s; yet listened earnestly to them when their LP's first hit the stores.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Steppenwolf, good stuff from that band as well. Tunes like Magic Carpet Ride, Who Needs Ya, and Sookie Sookie, were great for dancing as well as listening. Failing to check egos at the studio doors did them in as well.
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It was a shock to see Steppenwolf in 71, play in this then small town of 20,000 inhabitants. My buddy was a newbie writer for the local paper, and got 2 tickets, and stage passes to sit dead front and center, for the shows duration. Great Show with no raised stage. I kept thinking John Kay was going to swing his mic stand a bit wild and knock me out of my chair.

It was the last place on earth I ever expected to see Steppenwolf play, in a 1 Horse Town......
 
Back to the OP, what ever happened at the Lil' dickhead's estate? Hopefully he took a bullet to the head???
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Steppenwolf, good stuff from that band as well. Tunes like Magic Carpet Ride, Who Needs Ya, and Sookie Sookie, were great for dancing as well as listening. Failing to check egos at the studio doors did them in as well.
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Michael you can't mention Steppinwolf without mentioning there great 60s drug anthem "The Pusher" One of the best lines I've ever heard was............

"You know I've seen a lot of people walking round with tombstones in there eyes". Enjoy,
 
Yep, the Pusher was a good track, ditto my favorite Steppenwolf song Snow Blind Friend. Heard this Twenty Something say after a play of "Magic Carpet Ride" that "those guys must have been on drugs. I informed the twit that Steppenwolf liked a little love grass but were strongly anti-drug and cited the Pusher and Snow Blind Friend as examples. There is a so called "Classic Rock Station" in Tampa Bay and if you listen for about a week you can predict what will be played on a daily basis. And Matty is right, what tops the charts is not necessarily for all. John Cougar Mellonhead, are you shitting me "classic rock, but you hear him daily on "Tampas Classic Rock". An old favorite of mine was Signs by the Five Man Electrical Band, got a lot of airplay but when I bought the album found there was much better stuff on board.
 
...if you like Steppenwolf, you need to listen to the lyrics of "Monster"....it was true in the 70's, and it still rings true today.







Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches



But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
But she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light



And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And 'til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man



But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
But she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light



The blue and gray they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war was over
They stuffed it just like a hog



And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey



The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem friendly and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind



'Cause the people got fat and grew lazy
Now their vote is like a meaningless joke
You know they talk about law, about order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told



'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'



Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand



We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner, we can't pay the cost



'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into the noose
And it just sits there watching



America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster



America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster



Read more: Steppenwolf - Monster Lyrics | MetroLyrics
 
Yep have that one as well, still play those Steppenwolf tunes when I can get to them. My problem with music is that I like most the rhythm base formats and American Pop of the Forties and Fifties . Respect the abilities of Broadway Jazz, and Classical Musicians and singers but don't go out of my way in support them. I'm as likely to listen to Peter, Paul, and Mary or the Kingston Trio , Sinatra, or Bennett as well as Joe Walsh or Peter Frampton. Strange how things happen in music and how we relate to the artists. I always respected Willie Nelson for his songwriting and guitar playing abilities. I also view him as a disgrace because he always looks like he crawled out of a Dipsy Dumpster. Don't think he's that great of a singer but to me the man owns "Always On My Mind' . I've heard singer with "better" voices do it but Nelson just flat out owns it and has come to be one of my favorite Country tunes ever.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Yep have that one as well, still play those Steppenwolf tunes when I can get to them. My problem with music is that I like most the rhythm base formats and American Pop of the Forties and Fifties . Respect the abilities of Broadway Jazz, and Classical Musicians and singers but don't go out of my way in support them. I'm as likely to listen to Peter, Paul, and Mary or the Kingston Trio , Sinatra, or Bennett as well as Joe Walsh or Peter Frampton. Strange how things happen in music and how we relate to the artists. I always respected Willie Nelson for his songwriting and guitar playing abilities. I also view him as a disgrace because he always looks like he crawled out of a Dipsy Dumpster. Don't think he's that great of a singer but to me the man owns "Always On My Mind' . I've heard singer with "better" voices do it but Nelson just flat out owns it and has come to be one of my favorite Country tunes ever.[/QUOTE]


Same could be said with Armstrong's "What a wonderful world" Louie owns that one. And you're right about Nelson's voice, the man can't sing for shit, neither can Dylan or Cash but they have there own way of delivering a song. And can you imagine anyone but Cocker doing "You are so beautiful"?
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Yankeefan5545 said:
Yep, the Pusher was a good track, ditto my favorite Steppenwolf song Snow Blind Friend. Heard this Twenty Something say after a play of "Magic Carpet Ride" that "those guys must have been on drugs. I informed the twit that Steppenwolf liked a little love grass but were strongly anti-drug and cited the Pusher and Snow Blind Friend as examples. There is a so called "Classic Rock Station" in Tampa Bay and if you listen for about a week you can predict what will be played on a daily basis. And Matty is right, what tops the charts is not necessarily for all. John Cougar Mellonhead, are you shitting me "classic rock, but you hear him daily on "Tampas Classic Rock". An old favorite of mine was Signs by the Five Man Electrical Band, got a lot of airplay but when I bought the album found there was much better stuff on board.
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Wow, I have not heard Signs in ages, I loved that tune and band. There were a shit load of great Musicians, Bands, and tunes in this time frame.....seems like James Taylor's Sweet Baby James, "Fire and Sky" were both big hits around that same time frame.

 
yankeesince59 said:
...if you like Steppenwolf, you need to listen to the lyrics of "Monster"....it was true in the 70's, and it still rings true today.







Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches



But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
But she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light



And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And 'til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man



But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
But she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light



The blue and gray they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war was over
They stuffed it just like a hog



And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey



The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem friendly and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind



'Cause the people got fat and grew lazy
Now their vote is like a meaningless joke
You know they talk about law, about order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told



'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'



Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand



We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner, we can't pay the cost



'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into the noose
And it just sits there watching



America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster



America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster



Read more: Steppenwolf - Monster Lyrics | MetroLyrics
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Thanks 59, as Meaningful today as it was way back in the day, late 60s-early 70s....:smiley-dj:
 
I knew a guy in Orlando who could hit any of Louie Armstrongs tunes note for note and oddly enough the guy was white and in his mid -sixties at the time. I heard him do Kiss To Build a Dream on, Cabaret, Wonderful World using karaoke backing tracks but with the words removed he had all his stuff memorized. Normally I dislike imitators but to see this guy sing those tunes was amazing. He could also do Matin & Lweis Tunes imitationg both men to a T. None the less though Armstrong had that unique voice and delivery. When you hear records from Nelson & Armstrong you know immediately who they are. I've always said that if Cash had not come up with the boom chicka boom sound he may have not made it. I heard him sing with conventional Country Bands and not good at all. But he came up with a way to frame his voice and was successful. Good songwriter but if you look at Folsom Prison Blues and Crescent City Blues you'll plainly see why Cash had to pay Gordon Jenkins some big bucks. Liked Cashs rhythm style on the acoustic guitar as well. Dylan to me had a terrible voice but again damn good songwriter. And again unique, any one of those 4 were immediately recognizable voice wise.
 
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