I can sense something happening, not the usual ST optimism

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  1. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...just now saw this...and I'm still shaking my head in disbelief although I should have gotten used to it by now.

    1. No one has said that Cashman does not have a "plan"...Oh, he has one, but it makes no sense, has no direction, and one move seems to contradict the next.

    2. According to you, Cashman's plan is to "get younger and more athletic"... so you point to Gregorius as an example of Cash's plan, and you also point to the young farm hands the Yanx have in the minors...but it does not explain the signings of Drew and Headley and Ryan, and Capuano, and the acquisition of Garrett Jones. Are they part of "the plan" and the youth movement?

    3. Gregorius is more than just a "gamble"....and he'd better "pan out" because the Yanx coughed up Shane Greene to get him.

    4. And according to you " The trick is to try and hold onto your better prospects in any possible trade." ...geee, ya think? But you also seem to think that the Yanx can instead, simply offer up lesser prospects to another team and pick up "a good young established player who can step right in and help the team." ... My question is, if such as player exists, why in the world would another team willingly give him up and why would they do so in return for scraps from the farm.
     
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    BS, TMI, and you think I'm long winded, at least I have a point to make, and you stray from one pitiful issue to another.

    Go back to your closet, with your CB radio, and continue to pretend your calling a game on the radio. I've never met anyone on this board site, who thought and believed their own lie, over being the Self Appointed Anal-yst....

    You quit making sense months ago. Your rants, anal-ysis, reminds me of one BSPN Chicken Shitter fkr...with a severe complex.....
     
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    I mean your at a site with guys/gals that are notoriously unabashed homers, just the biggest fans out there. This team wasn't built for competition....it was built to keep the cable revenue streaming and to fill just enough seats to cover the bond and not get embarrassed.

    Surely you see the broader picture. Its great to hope they do well...but this clubhouse knows that the front office isn't gonna damn the torpedo's charge ahead, spend what it takes to win.

    I think its great that you are passionate about this current team. But put down the orange kool-aide and see Jim Jones for who he is.
     
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    Well stated Sir Tote......

    with Diplomacy Delivered with Dignity....

    ah oh, there's that Deliverance sub-C suspicions reference. Jones in Tropical Guyana Rain Forest Jungle. VS the Arky/MO. Ozarks of insane mayhem....aka as Rick's Winter Get Away Snowbird Resort and Studio 'On the Waterfront".....

    video courtesy of Rick's Vacation Video Library....He never would speak of obtaining this footage, the event, et al.

     
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    Once again its that time........
     
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    A classic clip, I loved Cool Hand Luke, still do....

    So often in the 90s in Mgmt. Meetings, I'd hear a Plant Mgr. tear the ass off of a Production Mgr, with: "What we got hear is a failure to communicate"...:clap:
     
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    59, YOU NAILED IT.....I think we all now who the subject material is parodying as well.....:biglaugh::check:
     
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    Couple of thoughts.

    1) Yanks obviously believe Drew will bounce back with a fresh start full ST and put up at least creditable similar numbers to what he did two seasons ago he'll turn 33 this month and whether you or any of you're yes men like it or not, we're just going to wait and see how it works out. He could do well, or could eventually become the backup SS/2b. Yanks are prepared to go with one of the kids, probably Pirela is Drew doesn't work out but as of now - YOU or I have yet to be proven right OR wrong.

    2) Fact - Headley is younger than Prado....just thought that might really rile you up....lmao

    3) Yanks (CASHMAN) have exchanged Prado and Phelps for Eovoldi, Domingo German and Garrett Jones. Prado is a good player and I've already said so in other posts but of course you've got to give something to get something, and by the way, I'm hoping you're not reserving a plaque for him in the HOF. lol
    In the process, the Yanks also dumped Phelps(28 yrs old) who not only has gone down with long term injuries the past two seasons, when he DOES pitch he has trouble getting past the 5th-6th innings and owns a career 4.31 ERA and 1.34 WHIP.....the Yanks received Domingo German (22yrs old) in return. He is now the youngest pitcher on the 40 man roster and 2nd youngest player behind Sanchez on 40 man roster.
    German (low minors) has a 2.33 ERA. 1.15 WHIP.
    Last year started 25 games, 123.1 IP, 2.48 ERA, 1.14 WHIP.

    Yanks picked up two young pitchers in the Prado/Phelps trade,
    one of them Eovoldi (24yrs old) is expected to be in the rotation and German(22yr old).
    Garrett Jones is obviously a part with some LH power who they're going to use for DH and backup 1b and the Yanks have IMO good reason to expect him to benefit playing at Yankee Stadium.

    4) Yanks acquired a 24 yr old LH reliever Shreve in the Banuelos trade, last season pitched 12.1 IP with 15 Ks with a 1.05 WHIP and so far in ST pitched 5 IP, 5Ks, 1BB, 1.80 ERA and a 0.60 whip.
    They also have Lindgren (22 yr old LH reliever) who had 48 Ks in 24.1 IP, 2.19 ERA, 1.01 WHIP, avg 17.5 K per 9 IP in minors and so far in ST has done well....4 IP, 8 Ks, 0.00 ERA.

    I know a few innings here and there doesn't make a career, but if somebody can't feel good/ "optimistic" about having a couple of young LHs like this in the bank, then all I can say is you must enjoy being a miserable naysayer.

    By the way, the jury is still out on Greene, and he certainly isn't "ace" material.....let's not get crazy.
    Looks to me like CASHMAN has added some good young pitching depth and the rotation is expected to include Eovoldi, Pineda, Tanaka maybe Warren (remember him? lol) and they're expecting Nova in June....and he IS on schedule.
    Wow.....what a bunch of old timers. lol

    Oh, I almost forgot, Arod.
    It's not exactly a national secret that he's 39 yrs old who has had hip problems....but I admit, I think he has enough left to help this team as part of some DH rotation.

    And I think it's only fair to those who say he won't make it out of ST......
    .....are you enjoying the full course meal of crow that he has been serving up to you?
     
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    ...how typical, ...after predictably failing to directly address each of my points, you go off on yet another completely different tangent.

    ..."I award you no points".
     
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    2-19 so far. how's that working out?
     
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    Drew, 2-19 is indeed dreadful. But a I thought I tried to explain his/Yankee situation with my "#1" point in my post.
    I kinda agree with the Yanks that he could be able to hold his own this season with a full fresh ST under his belt and if not, for crissakes, the Yanks IMO won't think it's the end of of the world if they have to go with Refsnyder or probably Pirela for 2b.
    Do you REALLY think this 2b situation is going to make or break the Yanks' chances of having a "good" season? This Pirela kid has been showing to be a good consistent hitter from AAA right through last September and currently in ST.

    And Drew is earning 5 mil this year and if he sucks, they'll have no problem releasing him later in the season and if claimed he would've cost the Yanks 2-2.5 mil.
    Prado is earning 11 mil this year and next year with the Yanks picking up 3 mil....say want you want but, in any case they gain financially while ALSO possibly adding a good young player ( Pirela?) into the lineup.

    Now 'cmon Rick...is/was this really such a big issue to pick out?
     
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    ...still waiting for an explanation of "the plan" of Cashman's that you defined as being the need to "get younger and more athletic"?...if that is truly "the plan" how do you explain the signings of Drew and Headley and Ryan, and Capuano, and the acquisition of Garrett Jones.?...Are they part of "the plan" and the youth movement?


     
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    Matt, please repost your reply to me in your last post....I apologize for accidentally deleting it because I inadvertently included someone else's post along with yours......I have a response to your post about me going back into a closet or something.....





    Anyway, here is/was my reply.

    Matt, all I can say if it weren't for those "Stein boys" trading away Austin Jackson, the Yanks would've still had Austin Jackson who knows how great the team would've been these past couple of years (chuckle).
    If I'm not mistaken, trading him away WAS one of your main reasons for your contempt of the Stein boys... great analysis, especially looking at his seasonal averages, 9 HRs, 50 RBI, .274 BA, .738 OPS and don't forget those 152 Ks per season.....stellar... lol.
    ...very impressive, have you considered enrolling in elementary "Baseball Fan School"?
     
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    No no, my contempt for the Stein Boys goes way back long prior to them taking over the helm. IMO, they don't have a clue in hell what they're doing, Jackson was but one. IMO, Jackson would NOT be a lifetime .274 hitter in NY. He would and could of had several gold gloves IMO. SB's up the kazoo, but thats but a nippet of things, I hold against the Stein Kids....just 1 of many....

    I'll look at this latter, I got work to do, however if you think I'm going to repost only for you to bombast me, with TMI, then your a 49 cards short of a full deck.....LOL....:breakdance::cool2:
     
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    49 cards short of a full deck? Is that anything like being 2 cans short of a 6 pack?, having toys in the attic?, Bread isn't fully baked?, or having the porch light on but nobody's home? Just wondering.
     
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    Considering a deck is 52 cards and "you're" 49 short, that would be far close to be 5 cans short of a 6-pack.... Or more aptly, 11 beers short of a 12-pack...
     
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    "Predictably failing to directly address each of my points" ????
    You think this is brain surgery....?
    You fail to "directly address" each of my points much often than you accuse me of.
    I don't mind at all, I enjoy shooting the breeze about this baseball Yankee stuff.
    First I'll post YOUR post in question, then I'll reply, okay?
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    ...just nowsaw this...and I'm still shaking my head in disbelief although I should have gotten used to it by now.

    1. No one has said that Cashman does not have a "plan"...Oh, he has one, but it makes no sense, has no direction, and one move seems tocontradict the next.

    2. According to you, Cashman's plan is to "get younger and moreathletic"... so you point to Gregorius as an example of Cash's plan, addand you also point to the young farm hands theYanx have in the minors...but it does not explain the signings of Drew and Headley andRyan, and Capuano, and the acquisition of Garrett Jones. Are they partof "the plan" and the youth movement?

    3. Gregorius is more than just a "gamble"....and he'd better "pan out"because the Yanx coughed up Shane Greene to get him.

    4. And according to you " The trick is to try and hold onto your better prospects in any possible trade." ...geee, ya think? But you also seem tothink that the Yanx can instead, simply offer up lesser prospects toanother team and pick up "a good young established player who canstep right in and help the team." ... My question is, if such as playerexists, why in the world would another team willingly give him up andwhy would they do so in return for scraps from the farm..

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    My reply.
    Cashman and the Yanks have indeed infused the team and franchise with more youth which I HAVE already pointed out (German, Shreve, drafting Lindgren), Pirela, who WILL be on the team, maybe even Refsnyder sooner than later.....but I guess you kinda overlook certain details which won't fit your criticism of some/most of my posts.

    I liked what I saw from Greene(26yrs old) last year and wasn't thrilled when they traded him, however, I don't see him being some kind of top of the SP rotation guy...probably a good # 3 at best.....that's my opinion, and time (not you) will tell.
    And guess what? Cashman has replaced Greene with a younger pitcher (Eovoldi 24 yrs old) with a higher ceiling and certainly better "stuff" and yes, he is a work in progress, has done well so far in ST and again we're just going to have wait and see.

    Same for Gregorious, this "young" kid has excellent defensive tools which should help prevent baserunners and help the pitching staff. He hasn't had many MLB ABs and if you think he'll never be able to hit above .200 vs LHP and improve his numbers vs RHP than I can't blame you for not liking that trade. And of course, sorry to disappoint you again, but we're just going to have to wait and see.....if this kid can make considerable offensive improvements, he's going to dynamite - IMO.

    You never know, Greene might turn into a mediocrity....stranger things have happened.
    We'll see how the trade works out.

    As for trying to avoid trading your best prospects, I won't mind giving one or two of the non top prospects for a player, but notice how Cashman has been avoiding being raped by other teams regarding giving up his top prospects.
    Greene went for a SS who could possibly seal that position for years.

    Garrett Jones, part of the Prado and Phelps (lol) trade and you should know he was included for the Yanks to give them some DH/1b depth and he DOES have a good power swing for YS. Yep, Yanks just might be looking for some rejuvenation from him in his new surroundings.......unless you were looking for Mike Trout to fill those spots...lmao.

    Capuano signing was nothing more than a warm body insurance policy who can hold down the 5th or 6th spot and there's a fair chance one of younger pitchers will take that 5th spot. Maybe Warren and someone else who is "young".
    And I think Ryan sucks and won't be surprised if he's released.....but is he a make or break asset for the Yanks?
    C'mon, get real.
    And remember, Headley is younger than Prado..lol

    Right now, as we speak, your crystal ball isn't in the least more accurate than mine when it comes to the 2015 Yankee expectations and performance......trades included.
    Long season, which hasn't begun yet.
    But feel free to be the old sage voice of reason!
     
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