I can sense something happening, not the usual ST optimism

I think we'll see even Cashman abandoning trying to rationalize his "plan" by the ASB. Sadly he needs to realize its indefensible now. Even harder to figure out is why blg feels the need to defend it? Bottom line, Cash got out played, out dealt this off season. Even if one of these guys end up being lightning caught in a bottle, this has been one of the most head scratch inducing off season in quite some time.

The only thing he could have done worse would to have crafted another Kevin Brown/Randy Johnson/Carl Pavano type deal.

 

Physical age difference between Greene and Eovaldi needed to be tempered against the number of innings thrown.. Nathan's arm had been pressed into some serious service last year.

Headley/Prado....5 months difference, almost same number of PAs since 2007.

This isn't getting younger.....these are pushes, taking one known quantity and exchanging it for an unknown quantity. Great plan, lol!

 

...lol ^^^ why am I not surprised? All that typing for a huge wall of words that still do not answer the question.
...One more time, IF Cashman's master "plan" was as you claimed it to be, a conscious effort to "get younger and more athletic", explain the reasoning behind adding "Drew and Headley and Ryan, and Capuano, and Garrett Jones"?...they clearly don't fit "the plan".

...if the youngster the Yanx have waiting in the wings are as good as you perceive them to be, there was NO need to sign those five 30+ players...your pretzel logic keeps contradicting itself, as it generally does. And you cannot explain it away no matter how many meaningless words you throw against the wall.

 

Oh, I get it.....Greene is a known quantity and Eovoldi doesn't possess overpowering stuff in need of more control of at least one other pitch...okay, got it.

Headley isn't recognized as being one of the better defensive 3b by MLB "baseball people"?...... not including the usual handful of posters.
He has good career OBP, hits around .260-.265.....does very well career wise AWAY from SD. I think the Yanks have their 3b. Of course we need him to stay healthy....but even young pitchers/players like Stroman of Toronto can go down.
I think Headley will make a good account of himself with the Yanks.

 

Stop acting like a fool and read my post.
So maybe you want Refsnyder to be the DH? Okay fine.
Capuano - garshdarn it- for the umpteenth time is a warm body insurance policy place holder for the 5th-6th spot until the Yanks sort out Warren,Whitley, later Nova and heaven forbid a few injuries to the SP.....and I won't be surprised if YOU see another young pitcher before September......and Ryan, unfortunately, there of course is the possibility he may have to platoon with Gregorious but I see Gregorius eventually making the strides to become the regular SS.....IMO....we'll see.
Drew? What's all the fuss? He just turned 33.
Only a matter of time before Pirela or Refsnyder takes over that spot......but in the meantime, what do you say if he hits in the .250s and pops a few HRs over the RF fence?
Garrett Jones? What the hell did you expect for a part time DH occasional 1b?

Please.....are you pulling my leg? Knock off the trivial crap and let's hope the pitching staff stays healthy along with a couple of key regulars.

 

Why do I feel like I'm seeing a really bad version of Groundhog day.

 

...you really are dense, aren't you?....stick to the point. And like I've already told you, there's "no reason to reread drivel because reading it again does not change it from being drivel".
...You're defending Cashman and claiming he has a clear cut "plan" to "get younger and more athletic"...I've clearly shown that is evidently not at all true and that Cashman's and/or your reasoning is woefully flawed and contradictory, because there is no "plan"...and you have once again failed miserably to show otherwise.

 

Obviously because a few posters either don't read my replies THE FIRST TIME, or just want to try and convince ME I'm wrong simply because THEY disagree with MY opinion and insinuating I'm some kind of jerk because it happens to be a small minority opinion. I can't help that....its my opinion.....yet there's plenty we can agree on.

Keep in mind Rick, most of these latest hot button Yankee issues, such as how many wins the team will have, Arod making it or not out of ST, Cashman making "bad deals"...... these matters have yet to be settled, its a long season which hasn't begun and ST is still up in the air. Jeez

 

But I can't help but notice that you STILL can't explain LOGICALLY Cashman so-called plan to get younger & more athletic when he signs guys like Garrett Jones (33), Stephen Drew (32) & Chris Capuano (36). I mean, I actually like the Jones signing for a backup 1st baseman / DH But PLEASE getting younger is obviously NOT part of the plan. Just saying.

 

...^^^and he won't explain it because as you said, he can't.

 

German, Lindgren, Pirela, Gregorius, Shreve, JR Murphy, very soon Refsnyder and don't be shocked if some other kid makes the team.

SP rotation including Pineda, Tanaka, Eovoldi, Warren or Whitley with Nova EXPECTED back for June.
Is THIS an old staff? Speak up, can't hear ya!
Yeah, they're stuck with CC but he hasn't YET shown to be ineffective and not too many complained when they signed Tex.

And one of you're biggest beefs is adding a 33 yr old (34 in June) part time DH backup 1b.
You're nuts!

 

...^^^ why do you keep doing this?...why can't you stay on topic for a change?

...wtf does any of what you said have to do with explaining how the acquisitions of "Drew and Headley and Ryan, and Capuano, and Garrett Jones", who are older players, support your claim that the "plan" is to "get younger"?...I don't "have a beef" with the players necessarily, I'm just trying to get a simple answer to a simple question concerning your interpretation of Cashman's supposed "plan" as you perceive it.

...if Cashman's "plan" was to get younger, why were these 5 older players added, especially since as you claim, some of the youngsters could have been given the roster spot?...can you explain this or not?...either provide something tangible and on point or admit your stance has no basis.

 

I gave examples of the Yanks getting younger.....in English.
Headley is

Lol, why do YOU keep doing this?
I gave examples of the Yankees getting younger. (post 72)
You have a problem with Capuano, fine.....and I've already said they obviously chose him to be a warm body insurance policy holding down the 5th-6th spot until they sort things out with Warren, Whitley and Nova eventually returning which he IS ON schedule for. Maybe Cashman should've gone with young pitcher for the 5th spot...okay, I wouldn't mind....but I don't think Capuano is "proof" that they are not and have not infused a couple/few younger players.
Drew just turned 33, not the end of the world....and AS I'VE ALREADY SAID in the other post, if he stinks up the place you'll be seeing Pirela (maybe Refsnyder) at 2b very shortly.

Garrett Jones - sorry, I see no indictment of Cashman because he's acquired a 33 yr old in a multiplayer trade which he will be used as a part time DH backup 1b.
Shall we look at the ages of all regular/platoon DHs? I don't think you want to go there.

Chase Headley is 30 years old, he'll be 31 in June. ho hum.
Jose Reyes is 31 yrs old, JJ Hardy was just signed at 31 yrs old.
Alex Gordon is 30 yrs old.

My opinion, I think Headley will give a good representative job as the Yankee 3b.
They're stuck with Tex...we know.
Beltran a bad signing? Didn't look so stupid after the year he had before signing with the Yanks. And he could still be one of the more important Yankee hitters/players as a good switch hitter. He can be huge if he stays healthy....ideal for some DH and some RF.


Now for the moment of truth....do you expect the current Yankee situation NOT to have ANY players over 30 years old?

I'm beginning to wonder about you.....are you okay?
You seem to have trouble grasping some certain basics.

 

Maybe Cashman logic onlybmakes sense to the 'intellectually challenged'. There 59, I solved the other major question of the off-season...why the Steins gave him three more years.

Why is it so freaking hard to admit that Cashman HAS NO plan? I tried giving him the benefit of the doubt...heck go back a few months and it was me against everyone else. You need to consider the timing on the moves and what else was going on at the time. And who he didn't pull the trigger on. Cashman would be the first to admit, off the record, that this isn't the roster he planned on fielding. In that belief you are truly alone.

 

Maybe there just happened to be real sensible reasons (which may have gone against his plan?) for him having to do the best he can without getting molested in possible trades? Don't know about you (or '59) but I wasn't privy to all of Cashman's face to face and phone conversations he's had with other GMs.

But anyway, please give me a couple of examples of moves Cashman should've/could've pulled the trigger on which would've made you give him a high, or higher grading.

 

Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. And in my opinion there was absolutely no reason to get rid of Prado or Greene or for resigning Drew.

With that said, don't you think we've pretty much beaten this topic to death?

As they use to say on TV................................................................................................'Say goodnight Dick".

 

...yeah, and if you take the $5 Mil they gave Drew and applied it to the Moncada negotiations, he'd be in the Yanx pocket now instead of Boston's. The Steins and Cashman were willing to give Drew $5 Mil, but were not willing to give another $5 Mil to Moncada....brilliant !