Bonds "cleared"

That the Boss received "lifetime or permanent" ban from baseball in 1990 (Fay Vincent) and reinstated in 1993 (Bud Selig).

Also we can add Mickey Mantle's ban, Willy Mays, Steve Howe, Fergie Jenkins....baseball bans can/are reversed. And I know you know this. You can't argue lifetime means lifetime because baseball has been horribly inconsistent. Guys were banned for coke in the 80's and not steroids in the 90's, 00's???

 

...uhhh, yes, "lifetime ban" means just that and it was clearly explained to Rose before he agreed to it. Steinbrenner's was never a lifetime ban, but I kinda thought that's where you might be going with this. Bottom line, Giamatti flat out told Rose that it was a "lifetime ban" and Rose willingly accepted it.
...and seriously, as far as Steinbrenner, Howe, Mantle, and the others you bring up, you're comparing apples to oranges...how can you seriously compare what Rose did to what Steinbrenner and your other examples did or even more importantly what Joe Jackson didn't do?. Joe never received any money, never attended any of the "meetings, and was stellar in the field and at the plate in the 1919 WS. Please explain to me why it's OK for Jackson to still be shut out of the HOF but your heart bleeds for Rose?
...every clubhouse since 1919 has a sign clearly saying that if you bet on Baseball you will be thrown out of the game, period. Rose clearly knew this and dug his own grave anyway. And to make it worse, he perpetuated his Baseball crime by steadfastly lying to the press, to us, and to his team mates who were made to look foolish for sticking by him. To this day, ask, Morgan, Bench, and other team mates what they think of Rose and whether or not he should be in the HOF. The ONLY reason Rose now shows any sign of remorse is only because he got caught...fuck him.

...and thankfully, the people who cast votes for the HOF are nowhere near as "forgiving" as others.

 

To quote Luke Skywalker, " let go of your hate.".

 

Rose will be fertilizer for Tulips, long before his name deserves to be mentioned in any HOF context.

Now Shoeless Joe, has more than paid his price, If his ruined career and Life weren't enough alone, NTM- the remaining ban of Shoeless Joe, is as odd, as banning a ghost....! Or- (The Ghost Joe has been since his passing...)

 

As we used to say when I was on active duty, you can get all the atta boys in the world it's the one ah shit that can knock your train off of the tracks. I could tell many stories of know it alls who are now in Leavenworth because they thought they could get away with anything.

 

What does baseball gain from banning Rose....especially today? With all the money in the game and gambling being that much more prevalent.
Come one, MLBPA sponsors a poker tournament in Vegas now.

 

But that isn't America circa 2015 anymore.

 

Better Question: "What does MLB gain by allowing Rose back into the sport????" Personally, I don't see any....?

We shouldn't even be mentioning Rose at this point, not until The Powers that be, wake up and place Shoeless Joe in the Hall dead front and center..........!

Rose IMO, and his Lifetime ban, is a a petty matter compared to Joe Jackson. When MLB first inducts and pays tribute to Joe, and until then; Rose is a non-issue, or fodder for the women in the Beauty Salon, ya' know with those bee hive hairdo drying machines.....!

 

Rose never cheated while he was a player.

Here's a scenario, What if he was voted into the HOF 5 years after his playing days & a few years later decided to manage & while managing he was charged with what he's banned for now, would they strip him from the hall or would a lifetime ban at that point be enough? Something to think about.

 

...sorry, but you ain't Luke Skywalker.

...and "hate" has nothing to do with it...did I offer anything other than facts?...can you offer up something tangible to dispute what I said?...and I'm still waiting on an explanation for Joe Jackson.

 

...no, but that's not the scenario we are discussing.

...Mantle's, as well as other's faux pas were exposed only after the fact...but agin, that's not what we're talking about here.

 

...and if you don't think "America circa 2015" isn't woefully misguided, I'd love to hear your reasons why.

...and this isn't about "America"...this is BASEBALL, and they have a completely different set of rules and they govern themselves. Comparing Baseball to modern day society is fruitless.

 

^^^ thank you.

 

It was more of a general question Ron, I do wonder what they would have done had it gone down that way.

 

...gotcha.