Doomsday scenarios this offseason

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Draco, May 10, 2015.

  1. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    21,875
    Likes Received:
    22,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Read your own statement. Not if he is getting max.
     
  2. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    Under normal circumstances yes. But this summer is a bit of an anomaly. Teams can sign free agents right now for 4 years and Max them, which would probably be a 12 mil contract with the new CAP.

    There are a slew of good free agents available right now, so teams with Max money can find a damn good player or a couple decent players locked up for 4 years for cheap
     
  3. RR7

    RR7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    18,589
    Likes Received:
    12,882
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And obviously, players, and more importantly, their agents, see that same thing, and aren't likely to lock themselves into long below market deals. And, obviously, not everyone gets their top choice of free agent. If you had cap space, and in the market for a good C, you're not going to pass on taking on Splitter for cheap just so you can sign someone you like less because maybe you get them 4 years.
     
  4. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    But wouldn't you think teams will try and lock players long term first, then if that doesn't work, seek the bargain trades for cap space?
     
  5. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,548
    Likes Received:
    38,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    obviously you don't get it.. Cap hold is 150% but can't go higher than the max. If someone made $10M last yearyear their hold would be $15M. If someone made $15M and the max was $20M, their hold would only be $20M instead of $22.5M. In LA's case, his cap hold will be the max he could get.
     
  6. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    21,875
    Likes Received:
    22,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38
    Notice the (2) on the end of the statement. Yeah i get it....
     
  7. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,548
    Likes Received:
    38,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    Obviously not if you think his cap hold is his previous salary...
     
  8. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    21,875
    Likes Received:
    22,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes bro i do get it very well. 120/150/190 and if they want the can renounce. That is what you see and that is what you are saying.
    The Blazers will wait to sign Aldridge. Not going to try to make you understand why. I have put two very clear links up already. Read them.
     
  9. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2008
    Messages:
    26,096
    Likes Received:
    9,070
    Trophy Points:
    113
    With the salary cap increases, the 90% cap floor increases also. Just saying.

    There's no reason for the Blazers to wait on LMA if they're going to sign him. His cap hold isn't a single dollar lower than the max. But if they want to play the field for whatever reason (trade to PHI for 1sts and space to sign Marc Gasol or something crazy) then holding on to his cap hold doesn't hurt as long as it goes away before you need the space (see: MIN and Batum). But it's not like they can sign Gasol (for instance) and then sign LMA to go over the cap using Bird rights. His hold is the max. I don't get what you were attempting to show with the links.
     
  10. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    And go a little further... It is a much easier sell to other free agents, knowing Aldridge signed. The sooner he's signed the sooner we can move to the next step.

    If Aldridge doesn't sign, then we should go immediately to plan B. I hope Aldridge is aware of this and makes up his mind quickly because it could really fuck up our summer if we wait too long.
     
  11. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    21,875
    Likes Received:
    22,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I would bet that the Blazers will wait and put their pieces in order and then sign him. Just the way i see it. Everyone thinks that signing Aldridge is the only thing that matters. I personally don't think there is any question in the matter. They will get their house in order and then sit down and work out LA's deal. Just the way i see it. Of course i could be wrong. I don't have any magic crystal ball but i just don't see any reason to worry about Aldridge.
     
  12. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    I don't see why waiting will accomplish anything but more doubt. Free agents want to know the Blazer corner piece is still there before they commit to our team. Waiting does nothing to help this situation. And the cap hold and Max contract are exactly the same. I don't see any reason why we would wait.
     
  13. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    21,875
    Likes Received:
    22,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You see what i am saying. This very thread is about "Doomsday scenarios". Signing Aldridge IMHO is not a problem in my book. Waiting makes absolutely no difference. There are other options that need to be looked at. I like LA as much as anyone else but finding the right team is what makes the most sense here. This is business.
    The problem with this very premise is that most all of the questions are from a couple of idiots that wrote some stupid paragraphs during the playoffs. Now a bunch of people think they are fact.
    If Aldridge stays great. He will make a lot of money and the Blazers will be fine. If Aldridge is involved with a sign and trade then He will make a lot of money and the Blazers will be fine. If he simply leaves he will make a little less but still a lot of money and the Blazers will still be just fine.
    The Blazers will work out their deals and make the one they feel is best for the organization/team.
    I will also bet because they will wait for at least until the rest of the team is in order those same two idiots will be all over the media spouting off and coming up with every possible scenario that could go wrong baiting as many clicks as possible. Bank on it!
     
    Nhawz likes this.
  14. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    21,875
    Likes Received:
    22,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This is another question altogether. What if the Blazers don't want to give Aldridge a Max? :curse:.....I know I know...That is just not a possibility right?
     
  15. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,977
    Likes Received:
    10,658
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Once he signs, the cap hold is removed and his salary counts against the cap.
     
  16. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    21,875
    Likes Received:
    22,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And honestly i am not trying to create an argument with you Maggs. But what if Aldridge doesn't want to go with the full 5 year? Lots of different scenarios and we know exactly nothing about what he truly wants. You already know a 1 year deal gets him way more money with a much higher risk in the long run.
    But it is way more money. Maybe a 1 year sign and trade?
     
  17. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    21,875
    Likes Received:
    22,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And the same holds true for Wes, Lopez, Freeland, Wright. Gee and the million on Kaman's contract.
    The Blazers have the room to sign these guys.
    Look i am not saying that they wont sign Aldridge first. What i am saying is that IMO they will wait. Simple as that.
     
  18. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    21,875
    Likes Received:
    22,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How about all the people calling for Batum to be traded? What kind of impact does that have? Don't know yet do we?
    You also have to consider Lillards Max extension next year right?
     
  19. Sedatedfork

    Sedatedfork Rip City Rhapsody

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2008
    Messages:
    7,966
    Likes Received:
    4,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Seattle
    The Blazers are relegated to the NBDL. At least we would be championship contenders?
     
  20. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    All these scenarios would be better met sooner than later.
     

Share This Page