Religion STUDY: AMERICANS BECOMING LESS CHRISTIAN, MORE SECULAR

Denny's God = naturalism

 

I'm one of them. I've given up religion altogether.

 

Oh my! I hate to ask but as Mr. Jefferson stated in our founding document, they were of a different opinion. Do you think the founding of this nation to be unsound?
I think it was a proscription for freedom. Do you not share this opinion?
Oh, I fear you maybe just a closet Democrat.

 

But then you want to use the word "married"! Change it you your terms. Go figure.

 

Most Christians have too

 

Denny, we can go back and forth throughout this thread. And remember, I'm only using what you use to debate you. So pot meet kettle. I think it's really funny that you are frustrated because of your head in ass debating tactics. It's really kinda cute

 

Very true, but then they did assigned the creator the preeminent role, as the grantor of rights. Not men, not a fairy, the creator. You can call him as you may, be you of what ever religion or not. But you do miss the point of the basic premise when you deny his role that is basic to the way our nation works. Even worse you deny his presents, so it does seem you also believe the founding to be flawed.

 

Ignoring Denny & Mags in this thread since they are out of control.

I'm interested in why Christians think the above isn't an unfair sentiment since God is supposedly the author of our circumstances. If God cares about our salvation why should our circumstances be such that the majority reject him?

 

I see that this is mostly a political comment, but I reject the notion that lack of belief in a creator or afterlife is necessarily inversely proportional to how much a person values human life. The belief that this life is all there is and we are accountable to *each other*, rather than to the will of a deity, can be and frequently is a powerful grounding for moral principals that mirror the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus was in fact a great secular moral teacher.

 

Ironically, the more this numbers goes up. The more people become a 'None' it is reflective in our society. The soul needs to be fed correctly. And when it's not you have decay. And that's you are seeing in our nation.

Decay.

 

What is it you are seeing specifically? Crime rates are generally trending down, and where they aren't they correlate to poverty not lack of religious belief.

 

When it's not about God. It's about...none other than 'Me'.

Unfortunately, 'me' is lacking answers, wisdom and know how... I was waiting to be seated with my Mom and Dad at Red Lobster on Mothers Day. When a Mom was walking through the front doors. A man was walking out at the same time, saw her, didnt respectfully let her by but walked over and pushed her out of the way. It was about 'him' at that time. Just as it was for many other Americans. When you live by Christ, you don't do stuff like that. You respectfully move and let the nice lady walk by. That move by him 'secular' written all over it. And is what our nation has become.

There is real lack of love. And it rears its head more and more each year.

 

Of course, it certainly wouldn't be 'you'.

 

It has jerk written all over it, not secular. For all you know he was a Christian in a hurry. You are just superimposing your own preexisting prejudices. Incidents of this type are not evidence in any way that secular equates to self-centered. There have always been jerks, both Christian and atheist.

One incident is also not an adequate sample size to conclude that our society is decreasing in love for fellow man. It's a pretty silly barometer either way, but since you brought it up I go to a very busy post office every day and everybody is extremely polite to each other and 99/100 people still hold the door for the next person.