Rick Nash is playing “awful” and “shrinking” in the playoffs

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  1. Messiah717

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    Sadly, they do need Nash to win.
     
    Messiah717, May 20, 2015
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    Its not going to happen. He simply will not do the things he needs to do to succeed. Semi breakaway and the guy shoots at the dots.. Not drive lean into the goalie and make shit happen.... Perhaps get hooked... Perhaps held.. Perhaps he runs into the goalie.. None of that can possibly happen when you take a weak wrist shot from the dots.

    We need to stop dreaming that one day he wakes up and says I'm going to lead this team climb on my back boys I got this.
     
    BigDaddyAl1973, May 20, 2015
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    He should be embarrassed.
     
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    Nash and St Louis are washed up. St. Louis because of his age and his legs. Nash because of his heart and how he's a coward.
     
    Rangers94, May 20, 2015
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    This is when you need a strong minded captain and coach. Messier and keenan would have NOT let this pussying out happen, AGAIN.
     
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    Keenan would've benched Nash for at least one game at this point. At the very least he would've been riding the bench. He did it to Leetch. Mcdonagh is not Derek Jeter and the quiet leader crap doesn't work for him.
     
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    you would think we had a dynasty in NY with Messier/Keenan...did i miss something? Keenan has as many Cups as Torts
     
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    54 years and New York. Go ask Toronto what they would do for a cup win after 48 years.
     
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    MSL should be on the 4th line. Someone needs to get on Nash and say big fella you NEED to play a hard game and take the puck to the net. Enough with the BS...and take him off the PK, which has sucked anyway, so he can focus on O. And put him on the 1st PP unit over MSL. Give him every chance to score.

    As for McDonagh, I disagree with most of you on him. He is a very good captain, for a first year captain still clearly growing into the role. Clearly he has had his ups and downs, but I see more ups than downs. I would like to see some more physical play, but overall I am okay with McD. He hasn't been dominant as most hoped, but he has been solid. Want more and need more, but he is far from a main reason we are down 2-1 in the ECF. And he is a big part of the reason we are in the ECF IMO.
     
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    I'm done with hoping Nash is going to do a damn thing. A snap of the fingers and suddenly he's going to be a beast? He has two goals in 15 games in these playoffs and one of them was useless in round one.
     
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    well considering the guy coached here 1 year and they won it that year...yeah I think we can say it was a pretty successful run
     
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    I don't disagree, but we need him to produce I believe. I wouldn't bet a penny on him doing it, but I see no upside in saying I give up on him. I think we do need to keep playing him. We do need to get him back on the 1st PP unit. But I would get on him if I was the coach or a teammate.

    MSL is a totally different situation, he is 40 and at the end of his career. He is better than what he has show in these playoffs, but at 40 I am just not sure what you can expect from him anymore. I wouldd move him down and keep Miller and Hayes up. Go from there.

    All we can do is hope Nash gets it...very doubtful but you can always have hope...:).
     
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    and how many Cups did he win before or after that one? zero. His model of coaching is archaic just like Torts is. Often when a player is struggling i read how under Keenan he would have been benched, blah blah blah. The guy came here, ran into a Cup and did absolutely nothing great after leaving NY.

    If anything, we should be saying "Darryl Sutter / Joel Quennville would do X" as those are successful coaches whose techniques work today.
     
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    Why nit pick something that has nothing to do with anything? It's about motivating guys so you know what the Keenan references mean.
     
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    because whenever a player struggles, it's often referenced how he would have been benched under Keenan, or he wouldn't let us wuss out, etc as if that would somehow make the current results any different. Keenan has probably alienated more people than he motivated and his style of coaching is NOT that this team would need given how archaic his style is.

    In the almost 15yrs he coached after he left NY he made the playoffs 4x and got out of the 1st round ONCE. What a motivator! we could certainly use that today in the ECF's!

    They don't come more overrated than Keenan when it comes to coaching.
     
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    So what he did prior doesn't count? But you're right. Keep on doing the same against Tampa because it has worked so well.
     
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    sure it does, and he did very well, but his PO success as the years passed shows his style stopped being effective. Why is such an effective motivator out of coaching for over 5yrs? no one wants his antics anymore. Heck, if that clown Keenan was our coach the past few years (no team could tolerate him more than 3yrs since the early 90's, but let's pretend), there's a good chance he would have pulled Henrik in and out of goal like a yo-yo and he would have said "get me out of NY, i'm done with this clown" a long time ago.

    And we're playing in a way that is uncharacteristic of the Rangers and despite that we were one bounce away from being 2-1 in the series.
     
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    He has been to 3 or 4 Stanley Cup finals, winning one of them with us, and also is the 1st American coach ever to win the KHL championship. So saying he is overrated is ridiculous..
     
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    It's not uncharacteristic against Tampa and that's the problem. Hank has a 4.75 GAA against them this year.
     
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    I've said it already. Nash will have a ton of value to teams not making the playoffs or that make it once in a while. HE will not be on the Rangers next season if they don't win the cup and he doesn't score. He's finished here.
     
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