Federal appeals court deals blow to President Obama’s amnesty

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I take it you've never been to Mexico.

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    Keep beating that faux-racist drum.

    Those who can't support their viewpoint always seek to change the topic.
     
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    No. I think you missed Maris' point. If all the illegals in Oregon were not here, all the legal Oregon folks could have a job with a wage that meets the demand for labor. The stupid minimum wage
    would not be in play as the need for labor would have reached equalibrium with wages.

    Can you see how the cloud of wanting to see everything as racism skews the view and the markets?
     
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    You're the one who posted "white people are unemployed, brown skinned are taking their jobs."

    Or what were you insinuating?
     
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    No, they would still be unemployed. The "legal" folks aren't taking lots of open jobs as it is.

    Immigration laws we've implemented are racist. You can't separate that fact from the conversation.
     
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    Anyhow, the thing that I think the court got wrong is that Obama does have discretion over which "illegal" immigrants he chooses to go after to deport or whatever. They clearly don't have an organization big enough or enough money to go chase down millions of people. So they do have to prioritize some to go after first: those who commit crimes here, for example.
     
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    I think you are blind, when employers can't fill a need they must raise wages to fill that need. The cheap immigrant labor (modern day slavery) is skewing the system.

    It should be obvious, but I fear you want to look through a cloud and shout racism!
     
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    So are you in favor of raising the minimum wage? That might make those jobs pay enough for the "legal" Oregonians to accept the jobs.

    Why would any employer pay minimum wage to an "illegal" if a "legal" worker would take the job?
     
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    They wouldn't if there were no illegals. Then they would need to pay a wage that would be acceptable to the available worker. The labor market and wages would no doubt reach
    equilibrium without the minimum wage being a factor.
     
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    Why do "illegals" accept a lesser wage? They shouldn't now, should they.
     
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    The phony wage set by the democrats as the minimum wage is higher than they can get in Mexico. Easy, you stated the median yourself. This immigrant labor is the current replacement of slavery
    and the minimum wage is eases the conscience of those that condone the slavery. Allowing these slaves to come is screwing over your own workers by skewing the labor market to the extreme.
     
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    The jobs pay what the jobs pay. If "legal" residents don't want the jobs then the jobs would sit there open, like the 35,000 job listings in Oregon I mentioned earlier.

    If the "illegal" workers are actually better at the job and are hired for that reason, then it's good for our businesses. That's a good thing.
     
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    Depends on your point of view. I you want to help all the illegal you can, then you are on the right track.
    If you want to put all your own citizens to work and lower cost to the government of all the subsidies cost of supporting unemployed workers then you could hardly do a worst job.

    If we were short on workers then perhaps there is a need for immigration but that is really not the case The minimum wage and allowing all this immigration is screwing the American worker and skewing the wage market. As it is, it seems like a communist central control in charge rather than free market labor reaching equilibrium. It is government not controlled by the Constitution but by feel good politics with a blind eye to reality.
     
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    How about you get the "illegals" to pay tax so that tax money can help pay for the subsidies for the workers who won't take the jobs only illegals will?

    That's the actual win.
     
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    Then this system is even skewed more because illegals can not collect unemployment benefits, so they must take minimum wage jobs available, where as the legal works is not forced into the same position. This allow the politicians to sing that old saw of the illegals only take jobs that American won't take. But that is only true because of the unemployment we pay to the unemployed.
    Let the free market work without the presure of illegal immigration and the American worker would benefit greatly while leaving the politician out of the system. We all benefit then.
     
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    Think.
     
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    You think. Black market, they only pay sales tax AND they don't even make minimum wage. There's NOBODY to enforce the minimum wage on their behalf.

    Legit they pay federal and state income tax and SS tax.
     
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    Check, you have given the standard "BUT BUT BUT SPEEDING" response typical of someone trying to deflect the seriousness of millions of people coming to this country illegally. They get in because they are close. Not because we are better off with 40 million of them as opposed to a number of people from all over the world.

    We entice them here, don't get me wrong. I would probably do the same. But I would probably eat pizza for dinner every night if nobody stopped me.
     
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    Millions of people speed. Tens of thousands of traffic deaths.

    Not anywhere near that kind of threat from people who want liberty and to provide for their families; to be part of a free country.

    The population grows here over time. Unemployment is always between 4% and 8%, and has more to do with government meddling than number of people.

    The pie isn't finite, plenty for everyone.
     
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    I am done discussing this with Denny. He ignores the obvious and wants to shout racist. Perhaps it makes him feel Christian.

    Ha! If you take Denny's logic to the next step, we open the doors, invite the world here to the promised land. Not just 10 20 million, we go for 100s of million, compete with China for the most on earth. Man talk about screwing the lower end of our citizens out of the chance for a living wage, that would do it. Might feel good to Denny but don't fall for that shit.
     

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