I think Iverson will also rack up quite a few more steals now because he has Camby and K-Mart to back him up in the paint, he'll be able to play the passing lanes more without being worried of the defender getting past him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Dec 20 2006, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You keep on comparing Bargnani to Dirk, but what makes you think that he will result to what Dirk is doing? Saying that Dirk didnt do that great his rookie season doesn't do much for me what so ever. You didnt even watch basketball when Dirk was a rookie so your comparison right now is invalid. Percentages are a very key factor in saying how somebodys offensive game is. When you have a lower percetage, you shoot from the outside, which is why his percentage is so low. I would like for you to look at other 7 footers (I dont care what age) and tell me how low their percentage is. If you wanted to put two and two together, you would know that the reason he doesn't play downlow as much, is because he isnt as comfortable as he needs to be. He is better from the outside, which isnt really what centers do. That is why I thought that his future COULD be at the SF position. For you even to make the comparison to Samuel Dalembert is dumb....im not going to even comment on that.Yeah your right, Bargani has a money shot that allows him to shoot under 43 percent. And you call me the ignorant one....I dont need to see a player play a whole lot to know that you arent that great of a shooter when your percentage is that low, especially for a center. So much of your argument is stating that he WILL get better at this overtime, but all of that is just speculation. You honestly have no idea what he will do in 5 years because you cant tell the future. The fact of the matter is, that right now, Bargnani isnt a good rebounder, and right now he is a bad rebounder, and right now he shoots a poor percentage. And how do you know the raps wont get the #1 pick? I would bet my life you didnt say that they were going to get it last year....and look what happenned. Anything is possible....And if the Raptors did draft Bargani, I would bet that he would play alot of minutes at the SF position. Draft experts last year put him as a SF/PF last year so you know that he could play that position. And since he likes to play more on the perimeter, that wouldnt be such a bad thing for him. Yes I have seen him play in the last month, and everything that you are saying is blown out of proportion. As a matter of fact, I have seen him play more than 2 times in the past month...</div>I'm comparing Dirk to Andrea because they have been compared constantly for a reason. They were both soft players out of Europe in their rookie seasons, and they are/were skilled offensive players with nice jump shots. I'm comparing Andrea's rookie season to Dirk's to show that it usually takes more time for European bigs to develop their NBA game than American bigs that went to colleges to play ball in America. Yeah, Bargnani likes to shoot from the outside, but he can also put it on the floor. I'd like to know what you're getting at here...? Most 7 footers only shoot above 50% because all their shots come from inside around the basket. Having a lower fg% doesn't make you any less of an offensive player in my opinion. Allen Iverson shot a low percentage for most of his career, but is considered the best scorer in the NBA post Jordan era. Plus, Bargnani's percentage will increase with NBA experience just like Dirk's did.Yeah, youre right. I HAVE seen him score some points downlow, but he is not entirely comfortable from down there. I don't see how that's a problem. He will develop that part of his game just like Dirk did, and he will become a very versatile player. He has a LOT of time to develop this part of his game, and to bulk up. I'm not worried at all. With more experience, he'll grdually get comfortable in the post on offense. What do you want, man? You are criticizing him for not having a post game, but he has never played that way in his entire career. In Europe, most bigs just play exactly like guards, and help to stretch the defense out. You can't criticize him for this. It's not like he is an American center that can't score any other way, and still isn't effective in the post. He plays differently than most American centers, and you should learn to except that, and give him time to work on his post game. I am being optimistic because he has come a long way in the minimal time he has had to expand his post game in the NBA, and in a few years, he should be comfortable down there.Wow, his future is at the SF position because he's mainly just a shooter after 1/4 of time playing Center in the NBA? Get real, man. He has a ton of time to improve his post game, and I am confident that he will. He's a 7"0 with guard skills. Does that mean that he CAN'T be a Center in the NBA? Does that forbid him from being a center? No, it's just another positive. That comment wasnt dumb. It proves that just because you shoot a hugh percentage, it doesn't mean you you have a good offensive game, like you seemed to hint. God, you're ignorant. When you shoot shots mainly from outside, your percentage goes down. Ray Allen (the best shooter in the League) shoots 43% as well. You can't base someone's shot based on their fg%. That's just dumb. Bargnani is a Center, but right now, he plays like a guard, so his percentage is effected. Yeah, saying every rookie in the league will get better is purely specualtion, but it always happens. Bargnani is only 21, and a post game is something he will work on until he gets.So what? No one expected bargnani to be a good center right off the bat, due to the fact that he is not used to the NBA game. Rebounding is something he will get better at once he gets stronger, and more aggressive. A post game is something he will get too. The facts are that he has a ton of talent, he's quick for a Center, he can shoot, and he has good skills offensively as of now. Hell, I even saw him pull a reverse facial off an iso one game. He's a quick Center.Because we have a better team than we did last year, and if I had to guess, I'd say that we'd have the 10th or so pick for the draft...We won't get the #1 pick, nor will we get a top 5 pick again. Actually, Bargnani has almost never played SF. That usually goes to Joey Graham, Morris Peterson, Anthony Parker, and sometimes Jorge Garbajosa.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Dec 20 2006, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stop bitching. He is a soft player.....if you dont want to admit that you, you are a homer and oblivious. He is a 7 footer and he is averaging just over 3 rebounds a game. That is absolutley terrible....And for you to say he is a terriffic offensive player. And for you to call his offensive game terriffic is complete bullsh**. He is a center and he is shooting under 43 percent. That is awful if you didnt realize....You can say that he shoots outside jumpshots and that is why his percentage isnt as high, but all that proves is that he settles for outside shots because he isnt strong or good enough in the blocks. That isnt a good sign to me. So let me gather what I have said so far....doesn't like playing inside because he is better on the perimeter, terrible rebounder, and he averages around 3 fouls a game in 20 minutes because he cant body up to his defender and play defense without fouling. And I would bet my left nut that if the Raps had the #1 pick, they would pick Oden.</div>Ballerman this arguement in itself is stupid in many ways. Were barely 30 games into the season and your telling me that Bargnani is soft, cant defend and shoots a bad percentage. Well in every case, we can jump to conclusions, but we wont know for sure until the season ends if he improves. Bargnani averages as much fouls as Aldridge, have you ever said Aldridge cant man up under the bucket? Bargnani is a 250 lb. 7 Footer, Hes heavier than Dirk Nowitzski for heaven sakes!, Is Dirk a soft player also Ballerman? Or does Bargnani just have a lot of fat underneath the jersey? And what is the significance if we pick Oden? Its because we need bigger players, not that Andrea is too small. And If Bargnani is such a bad shooter, then how come he shoots more Shots Per Game than Marcus Williams and has a higher shooting percentage? That statement was not right at all. And as for rookie forwards who averaged 20 MPG or more, Bargnani is second after Sheldon Williams, who only averages 2-4 shots per games, as for Andrea who averages 3-9 shots per game. And Lastly Bargnani is known for his shotblockig. Even ask BCB, how many times has he said that he is a good shotblocker? In the end, Bargnani is bound to improve no matter what this season, and will be looking at a starting position for the raps.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Dec 20 2006, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Iverson will also rack up quite a few more steals now because he has Camby and K-Mart to back him up in the paint, he'll be able to play the passing lanes more without being worried of the defender getting past him.</div>Yeah, if only K-Mart weren't out for the year, huh?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Dec 20 2006, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, if only K-Mart weren't out for the year, huh?</div>Last I heard there was still chances he could make it back before the season ends.Edit: Who says it has to be this year anyway? Iverson will probably stay a Nugget next season anyway.
