no I just don't think he's essential to his development. You guys seem to think that if we get rid of Kaman that he'll relapse to the player he was before and that he'll never pan out, which is completely wrong
I'm not saying mentors aren't that important, but if you have the choice of making your team better by adding more talent, or keeping someone so that he can mentor a role player, you pick talent every single team
Your just wrong. It happens every year. Kamans value isn't enough to bring in good talent without packaging him with Nic or something else. and in my original post.... I said that we should be able to find something else equivalent in order to make such a trade happen. You miss that part too? And again, You seem to keep missing THIS point. Bigs are always in demand and we are an injury prone team. Why would wouldn't we want him on the end of the bench for insurance? These are the things I made point of that you keep missing, but you have every right to stick to your guns and think i'm absurd and Kaman's value is going to improve this team if we trade him.
you don't pay a 3rd string center $5M! Go sign Jermaine O'Neal for next year for the minimum. He can be your "mentoring 3rd string center"
Dude, no one said that. What we are saying is Meyers has been growing with Kaman at his side. No one said Meyers would relapse, but he might not continue to improve, or as quickly as he did last year. Geez, you like to twist things around. I also never said that Meyers shouldn't be able to figure things out, he should and he can, but some people learn differently than others. Some people can watch a vid, read instructions and they've got it. Some people need hands on and they got it. You speak as though coaching is a one way thing and if Meyers cant learn from our coaches then he sucks, which is sooo ignorant is funny.
Not if he cant communicate in such a manner that the player doesn't get it. Coaching is a skill too that deserves pay. Your paying him the $5 mil to be insurance AND help the bigs. Yes its a bit much, but he has earned it in my mind, and it would only be for a year, then the cap goes up.
And he can be used to match salaries and help a team clear cap space. He can also be used as a mentor, correct? You're talking about how valuable he is while saying he's not valuable enough haha. Sounds like you're the one twisting things.
So we don't improve our team because a role player "might" be harmed by losing another player? Right So toy wouldn't cut Kaman to get Brandon Wright, because Meyers? Or because Brandon Wright dunks to well and shoots too high of a FG%, which is something us Blazer fans seem to hate
And you seem to think that Meyers will continue on his recent trajectory without the guidance of Kaman. While he won't lose what he's already learned, he probably won't progress as quickly without Kaman there to show him all the little things that go into playing successfully as a big-man. Also, we have 15 roster spots - a few of which are going to be taken up by guys with marginal talent/ability. Why not give one of those spots to Kaman?
This will be my last response to you, because your like banging your head against a wall. How many teams out there need the cap space AND have a player like Meyers that needs mentoring? I said in the ORIGINAL post that you obviously didn't read thoroughly, that he is MUCH more valuable to us than any other team out there for the mentoring alone. Come on man, your trying to argue apples and oranges just to argue. I didn't twist my own words at all, your twisting them up for me.
And getting rid of Kaman (either in trade, or letting walk for cap space) is going to bring back the player that launches us from "pretender" to "contender"? Obviously if a trade makes us better you do it. But to suggest that KAMAN is the trade chip (or cap space) that's going to radically improve the team is just pie-in-the-sky.
no, but if it gets us closer than do it, don't worry about to backup to our best player, worry about moving the needle closer to contending
tons of teams have young bigs and tons of teams want cap space, and tons of teams would settle for him as a backup center. So yes he has value
he progressed so much this past year if he "progressed" at the same rate for the next 3 years he'd be an MVP candidate. Do you guys actually think thatll happen? I don't think you guys give Meyers enough credit for his development. He works his ass off
I think scientific method counters your argument...look at Meyers before Kaman and after Kaman...nobody thought he'd frustrate Marc Gasol in the playoffs. Most thought he wouldn't ever be an NBA player. It's demonstrable. Kaman is far from dead weight on the roster. He helped our bench big time. Also I'm going to throw in that I'll "like" any post I choose too and just because you don't, doesn't make you more informed than anyone else around here. We very well may let Kaman go but not because he has no value as a Blazer. I hope he retires here.
I actually agree with you on everything, but if you have the chance to improve your team you take it. The likes bugged me because it showed fans were against improving the talent level of this team.
Straw man all the way through. Nobody is saying Meyers doesn't work hard, or that he doesn't deserve credit (or that he'll be an MVP candidate). We're just saying that Kaman ALSO deserves credit - if you disagree you're wrong. You can work your ass off doing all the wrong things and you'll end up with a lot of bad habits. Or you can have someone show you how to apply your hard work appropriately and that'll accelerate your progress.
