Yanks SP....

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  1. blgridesagain

    blgridesagain team player

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    Currently 8th best in the league in ERA 4.17 ...a couple few % points from the 5th best ERA......9th best in WHIP with the 4th best team Seattle having a 1.26 and the Yanks at 1.31 .....but better than all in A.L. EAST except TB (ERA) and Balt (WHIP)......this is mainly without Tanaka and the Yanks searching around to fill in spots.

    Yanks need to at least be around/near the top third in the league and if they can some how continue to score runs at their current pace................


    Plan? Did you say "Plan"?
    Plan? lol
     
  2. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...this is why I keep saying that stats in the hands of those who don't fully understand them, is dangerous.

    ...8th in the league in ERA is good?...9th in the league in WHIP is good?...and using the rest of the pathetic AL East as your benchmark ?



    ...terrible, simply terrible.
     
  3. Yankeefan5545

    Yankeefan5545 Well-Known Member

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    Stats can be shown to display anything, right now I still view the staff as shaky but improving IF and I hate the word but it's true. Lets see where thing are on June 30
     
  4. blgridesagain

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    I don't fully understand "stats"?
    I'm clearly saying, as I have consistently said regarding the Yanks pitching.
    If they, imo, at least be a top third ERA team, or close to it, along with their good offensive production they should......
    ....never mind ➡(you remember don't you? lol)....imo.


    You emphasized the number EIGHT in their current SP ERA league ranking as I said.
    Then you pointed out NINTH in WHIP.
    But YOU were the one who failed to look CLOSER and better ANALYZE the actual numbers.
    Here they are as we speak.
    Yanks' SP ERA is 4.17

    Minn 4th best 3.86
    Seattle 5th best 3.96
    Yanks--------------4.17

    We can ONLY use the numbers (stats) to rank team ERA.
    Some team HAS to be ranked #1 WITH THE LOWEST ERA
    Some team HAS to be ranked #15 according to the NUMBERS.

    And the numbers currently say the Yanks are considerably CLOSE to the number 4 and 5 teams in SP ERA.

    I know they can eventually slip backwards.....I also said I believe they have to stay around (or better wouldn't hurt) at least in the top 3 in ERA and right now they are close enough to the 4th and 5th ranked teams according to the numbers for me not to be near panic mode or "concerned".


    Then SP WHIP - currently.
    Seattle 4th best 1.26
    Yanks 1.31

    Lmao......do "we" fully understand or able to read numbers? Lol

    Those other teams also have to play out the schedule.
    And I understand the concept of SP going deeper into games......I also understand what the total package will be when you add the Yanks' excellent 8th and 9th inning relievers.


    Looking for a strawman?
     
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  5. totus44

    totus44 Lord of the Dark Side

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    Please name the last ALCS or NLCS winner that had a SP team ERA of 4.17 or higher.
     
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    Messiah717 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Somebody should call Michael Kay's show today and ask him. He will get Elias Sports on it.
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...wow, just wow...the Yanx SP is much closer to being the worst in the league than it is to being the best....but yeah, I'm the one building a "straw-man?.

    ...SSDD.
     
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    That being said if Tanaka stays healthy that all changes very quickly. Tanaka and Pineda as a 1-2 certainly changes the dynamic.
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...Tanaka was as good yesterday as I've ever seen him.

    ...yes, the return of Tanaka could help lower the team ERA but that assumes that Warren won't turn back into a pumpkin and that Eovaldi and CC won't be any worse.
     
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    I know we have to temper expectations but Nova could be back in the mix this month.
     
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    Team stats are what they are, but let's not over complicate things. CC Sabathia blows. Chris Capuano blew for 3 starts. You replace Sabathia with a league average SP and our rotation stats get better quickly. Ideally a month from now the rotation is Tanaka-Pineda-Warren-Nova-Eovaldi. And I've had just about enough of Eovaldi as well. One thing at a time. If Mitchell could learn to throw some strikes in AAA he could become an option as well. It is just about time CC be DFA'd if enough cash can't get him out of dodge. He wasnt awful in his last start, unless he can repeat that several starts in a row before his next implosion he's gotta go. He should be at the edge of the plank now, no room for error before he's off the ship. Aaron Harang & Dan Haren are 2 guys I think they could eventually look at on the trade market as I dont expect them to go shopping for anyone that would cost prospects. It will be touch and feel Brandon McCarthy type deals from last year and rightfully so.
     
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    Evoldi is a tease. You would think the Yankees learned from Burnett when it comes to guys like this.
     
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    Eovaldi has basically been proven to be a high velocity batting practice guy. Whatever it is about his stuff, hitters recognize it and crush it. And because of his "stuff" he'll get tons of rope any time he shows any sign of learning how to pitch. I dont see it ever happening. At least he isnt a complete butcher and he could likely be a serviceable # 5, the problem now is we have CC pitching like a 5. We cant have them both getting tee'd off on. This guy has a pretty solid track record of getting lit to shit at this point. A dead red, straight 97 MPH fastball is not an asset, it's a detriment unless you can play off of it somehow.
     
  14. yankeesince59

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    ...hated to see Nova go down...if he's just close to what he was it could be huge.
     
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    4.17 is not a pretty number.....but my point was the Yanks are currently within small range of being in the top third in league SP ERA which -imo- is where they need to be to have a reasonable chance making the playoffs either by winning the division or WC along with scoring a good amount of runs...(current pace for sure).

    If, at the end of the season 4.17 qualifies for the top third....or within a few % points of the top third, that could also be "good enough".
    I'm talking about rankings for the season, not nessecarily a specific team ERA number.
    We can only measure and "rank" team total numbers with THE COMPETITION for that given year.

    Last year the SF Giants' SP ERA finished 10th in their league at 3.74.
    Yes, 3.74 is better than 4.17 but it was still ranked 10th in THEIR league.

    And the 2012 ALCS Yanks' SP ERA was 6th in the league at 4.05.

    Of course I would prefer one of very lowest/best SP ERA in the league, but the SP on this current Yanks team still has questions and wasn't expected to be one of the very best in the league- but staying within the top third, and finishing at least in the top third or very close could very well be good enough.
     
  16. Hammerojustice

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    8th out of 15? 9th out of 15? both are in the lower half in the league... how is any of that good?
     
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    Answer the question.
     
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    Top third is something to aspire to??? Since when? When did it become ok to not want to be the best team? The best rotation? The best pen? Hell, the top 2 or 3 teams (3 teams would be top 5th in AL, top 2 would be top 13%)... that would be better... but the top 3rd? I want better from my team than JUST the top 3rd...
     
  19. blgridesagain

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    Are you serious? No, really, are you kidding around ?

    I addressed that in the first two paragraphs of post 15.
    Top THIRD (or very close to), not nessecarily a specific number but how the TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE finished/ended the season in SP ERA.

    Yanks are "currently"' within close acceptable proximity of being in the " top third" and if they at least maintain and FINISH the season in, OR WITHIN VERY CLOSE RANGE of the top third, AND a good run scoring team , I think, believe, the Yanks will earn a playoff spot.......or to put it another way➡they'll have as good a chance as just about any other team of making the post season.


    If this sounds too convoluted, read it twice, it may be too "deep" for some. lol
     
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    ...lol...more sunshine and lollipops.

    ...have another drink.
     

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