Batum for #4 pick?

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  1. ThugginPaulyGAllen

    ThugginPaulyGAllen Active Member

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    That's why you look at PER in accordance with USG% and use a minutes restriction to eliminate things such as Spencer Hawes. We will just have to agree to disagree, I find that PER is pretty good indicator of how good a player is - otherwise, the top players in the league wouldn't be damn near at the top of PER. If you eliminate players based on games played, limited minutes, it pretty much shows you who stands out from the rest. I'm not seeing a whole lot of "PER superstars" that are false positives on this list...

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    The top players have the highest PERs because they all score a lot. It's a pretty simple correlation. PER is heavily influenced by scoring and can be misleading for players whose primary role is not scoring. It's Hollinger's attempt at one stat to rule them all. It's not useless, but it's far from perfect. You mentioned Jimmy Butler, until he started scoring 20 PPG, he had a pretty ho um PER. Draymond Green is a GREAT role player, but he'll never score enough to come close to a 20 PER player. By definition, a single playoff series is a small sample size.

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    I discount anybody who uses PER as the basis for their argument.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Never mind...
     
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    Also--- it wasn't a single playoff series. IT was the course of his career here.
    If you look at the list I have given you, not everyone on that list are elite, or even great, scorers.

    A lot of them are really well-rounded players and strong defenders are up there, too.

    Once again, I think the true importance of PER is somewhere between you & I.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Well, we just traded one player with PER = 13.1 for two players, each with a PER = 13.2. So, you should be happy about that.

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    What can you say about a guy with a 6 PER?

    Regardless of sample size even.

    How about a 25 PER?
     
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    Nope. Not thrilled with Gerald Henderson, but Vonleh has intriguing potential. Gerald Henderson is garbage and Batum is definitely a better player. This was about Vonleh. I'm happy with that. He was a HELLUVA prospect last year.

    Batum is also 26 and Vonleh is 19, so there is a decent chance Vonley gets his PER up a little.
     
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    You never know. Batum was 19 at the start of his rookie year and posted a PER = 12.9 as a starter playing 1454 minutes on a team that won 54 games. Vonleh was a 19-year old bench warmer that posted a PER = 13.2 in 259 minutes of garbage time on a 33-win team. Batum sure looked like he had more potential, but six years later, his PER was only 13.1.

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    TO be fair, Batum's career avg PER is 15.2. He did get better.

    In order for thsi to be a good trade, Vonleh needs to get to a 15+ PER and stay that way in the playoffs - which I doubt will happen in the next year or two.
     
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    You're forgetting what the extra $4mil in cap space might net us. Lots variables with this move, too early to declare anything.
     
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    I think Vonleh can easily get his PER over 17, even higher within 2 years. Maybe even this year, though in limited minutes.
     
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    You'd almost think a teams total PER is more important than its win-loss record....
     
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    That would be an interesting spread actually, how often the team with the highest AVG PER/per player on championship teams vs teams that lost.

    I'm sure there is a correlation between having high AVG per and win/loss record.
     
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    not arguing that I just think people value PER as a stat way to much
     

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