I got Barack's book, 'The Audacity of Hope' I'll let you guys know how it is. Its supposed to be about politics so we'll see.
If he can do the job right he should do it. If he's incompetent, he'll probably still win (look at Bush)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Diawsome @ Dec 21 2006, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Right now I see 4 contenders for the 08 presidential race (Clinton, Obama, Giuliani and McCain)Weaknesses:Obama:1. Racial issues - certain people will never vote an african-american into office and as the article above mentions he hasn't been receiving the support you would figure from the african-american voters.2. History - While some might few this as a good thing as not being around the corruption of D.C. for long enough he doesn't have much of a track record which will take some votes away from him.Clinton:1. Love her-hate her - People either like her or hate her, there isn't much of a middle ground for her. She is an "extremist" for the democratic party and to the majority of the public is the Democrat's version of what George Bush means to Republicans2. She is a woman - Just like Obama and racial issues there are people who will not vote for her just because of gender.Giuliani:1. History - He has Mayor of New York and not much else to list under credentials. He has become more of a celebrity rather than politician and was forced to back out of running for the Senate due to scandals and marital infidelities.2. 9-11 withdrawal: His strongest base is the support he gained after the 9-11 attacks. Once the primary races begin will that "sympathy" support he has hold up to whatever other candidates throw at him?McCain:1. McCain biggest problem is getting the support from the core republican voter base to get through the primaries. He is often seen as a moderate/independent which has taken votes away from him in the past. 2. Ties to Bush: Though he has stood against Bush on various issues for the most part McCain has been one of Bush's primary supporters throughout his presidency and with this current hatred for Bush that could potentially hurt him as he runs for office.Injecting my opinion among this I believe that both Giuliani and McCain would be favored over Obama and Clinton. Specially McCain who if he manages to get through the primaries I don't see anybody the democrats could nominate that would take away McCain's advantage with the independent and moderate dem/repub voters.</div>Here's the order the polling results were in the most recent polls with all the candidates1. Gore2. McCain3. Guiliani4. Edwards5. Clinton6. Obama7. Romney
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (airfrancemp @ Jan 10 2007, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's the order the polling results were in the most recent polls with all the candidates1. Gore2. McCain3. Guiliani4. Edwards5. Clinton6. Obama7. Romney</div>Gore is first? ugh... Out of that list I would vote for Guiliani.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Dec 20 2006, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This country wont vote in a non white president, or a female. its a nice dream but most the voters in this country are too "old school" to allow that to happen. I actually like Obama, I dont really see him as more of a moderate, which is something this country needs. Hitlery is to much of a socialist, plus Bill is going to be a liability to her.</div>No, I disagree. I think alot of people would for for a black president, or female. Not the south, but most of the north would. Hillary is helped out by Bill...he was one of the most popular presidents, no matter if you agree on it or not. (I dont like regean but he was popular)...
You're forgetting the power of the Jesusland states, which is not just the south any more, but it includes a lot of the midwest and all of the rocky and intermountain states. while the intermountain states only have a few votes each, all of them together make up a significant vote. if all the Jesusland states vote like their normally do(status quo, or Republican), and two of the big five(Cal,NY,Ill, Penn, FL) vote with the Jesusland states than they make up enough to elect the person they want. the Jesusland states tend to be ultraconservitive and this wouldn't elect a black or a female. The Jesus land states make up roughly 214 votes by themselves(215 if Utah gets the extra house seat) the rest of the nation 221, but like I said the big 5 are unpredictable and will go either way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jan 11 2007, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're forgetting the power of the Jesusland states, which is not just the south any more, but it includes a lot of the midwest and all of the rocky and intermountain states. while the intermountain states only have a few votes each, all of them together make up a significant vote. if all the Jesusland states vote like their normally do(status quo, or Republican), and two of the big five(Cal,NY,Ill, Penn, FL) vote with the Jesusland states than they make up enough to elect the person they want. the Jesusland states tend to be ultraconservitive and this wouldn't elect a black or a female. The Jesus land states make up roughly 214 votes by themselves(215 if Utah gets the extra house seat) the rest of the nation 221, but like I said the big 5 are unpredictable and will go either way.</div>I am guessing that you are Mormon.
Hell No! Why would you say such a thing? I should burn down your house for you accusing me of that attrocity.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jan 11 2007, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hell No! Why would you say such a thing? I should burn down your house for you accusing me of that attrocity.</div>Sorry, you are from Utah and you are calling other states Jesusland so I just assumed. Again, I apologise.
I was just joking, except for the not being a mormon part. they, like all other organized religions are dispicable.
I wouldn't see anything wrong with electing a african america or an female.8 years of Bush and we in a war we don't know why we in,the economy is still horrible and you can't blame it on 9/11 anymore that was 6 years ago. I don't see any reason why wouldn't anybody would.
Well this actually works better that he's half black. I mean, half black is good so people who don't like the skin color or whatever can't be too bothered, and he's still black. It's the first step.But we still have to wait and see if he'll even run
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Dec 20 2006, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1/2, 1/4, 1/10 it doesn't matter to the "Jesusland states", they wont vote for him, and since thats about half the country its going to be nearly impossible for him to win. the sad thing is maybe 1/2 of the women in this country want him to win, but of that 1/4 only 1/1000th of them will actually get out a vote. just because the 04 election had a good turnout doesn't mean 08 will have a good turn out. the old school people wont vote on respect, those are the same people 50 years ago who would have lynched him for no other reason than he is 1/2 black. The one thing Obama does have going for him is the under 30 voters have been turning out in better numbers than before, and the old schoolers are dying off.</div>im inclined to think that you are speaking for yourself when you reference "half of the country." why do you think you have your finger on the pulse of "half of the country" more than anyone else?I can speak for myself and my circle of friends that he has our vote.I was a big time bush supporter during the last two campaigns. but his policies and inability to follow thru on campaign promises have left me very sour. I am a conservative. but that seems to be lost these days, the bush administration has been extremely liberal in their policy. I think obama would be a little bit more even keeled. and nancy pelosi's senate agenda seems more conservative than anything ive seen recently.in the midst of world war iii, however sexist it may seem, I think hilary clinton as president would be seen across the globe as a weakness to be exploited. during these turbulent times world wide, the last thing we can afford is to be perceived as weak.rudy juliani was a great mayor and handled new york's problems with excellent poise, but I cant believe that being a mayor prepares you for the challenges at the national level.of the choices so far, I tend to think that the freshman senator obama is the most prepared for the task.
1-12/1-14Democratic NominationClinton 29%Obama 18%Edwards 13%Gore 11%Kerry 8%Republican NominationGiuliani 31%McCain 27%Gingrich 10% :wtf1: Romney 7%Pataki 3%General ElectionMcCain vs Clinton: McCain +9 (48%-39%)McCain vs Obama: McCain +5 (43%-38%)McCain vs Edwards: McCain +10 (45%-35%)Giuliani vs Clinton: Giuliani + 8 (48%-40%)Giuliani vs Obama: Giuliani + 3 (41%-38%)Giuliani vs Edwards: Edwards +1 (40%-41%)Note the last poll I found involving Gore was the week before Christmas which had him at a 1 point edge over McCain and even with Giuliani.http://pollingreport.com/2008.htm
If anyone were to win from the Republican side, I'd like to see McCain. He hates Bush and is almost a democrat :dribble: But seriously, I don't think having Hillary Clinton as the president would make us be looked at as "weak." I don't think anyone wants to F*ck with our military, I don't think they'd think we were weak.And honestly, I could care less what others around the world think of us. We need to focus on the problems at home, which I feel O'Bama and Clinton would do.
If he can do the job then let him do it. Same with Hilary Clinton, so what if someone is black, female, yellow, gay, japanese or from Mars, if they can do the job then more power to them.
If the Republicans are smart, they'd let Giuliani run because he'd definitely win. He's definitely getting my vote as a New Yorker if he runs.If not him I wouldn't mind seeing Obama or Edwards. Please for the love of god, don't let Clinton or McCain in office though.The race and gender card doesn't bother me at all, I don't care what they look like. But Hilary Clinton?! Cmon.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 10 2007, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My nig's runnin for President! Wooo wooo! You got two votes now Obama!</div>So what are his stances on everything? Pretty much all democrat right...because I heard hes almost a moderate..
