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  1. magnifier661

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    I guess I fail to see the gamble here. If Olshey communicates to Aldridge about this scenario and Aldridge says "okay I will resign", then how could that be a gamble? If it doesn't work, you shed 15 mil next summer but still have Aldridge. Seems like a win win to me.

    I doubt Olshey would get Hibbert unless it's something that Aldridge agrees will be a factor for staying
     
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    So for all you Hibbert supporters, would you take Wilson Chandler and DeMarre Carroll for $17M and start Plumlee at center or do you want Roy Hibbert that bad?
     
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    But the thing is Olshey can do better, so if LA will return for Hibbert and a $5M guy then he'd return for Tyson Chandler and DeMarre Carroll at $10M each
     
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    Depends... Would Aldridge resign? If Aldridge doesn't want to resign if we get Hibbert, then the entire debate is moot. But if Aldridge says "I will surely sign if we get Hibbert" or "maybe I'll sign if you get caroll and chandler", which would you choose?
     
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    Keep in mind that Aldridge wanted Hibbert bad. He was one of the major recruiters to bring him in. And honestly, I don't think Caroll and Chandler is enough to convince Aldridge to come back, IMO.
     
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    Are you really equating fucking someone's mom as the same thing as fucking your friend's fiancee?
     
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    he wouldn't surely resign for the worse option compared to "maybe" for the better option. He wants hard working players around him and Hibberts rep would scare him away more them anything.
     
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    And even then, LBJ had an off year, his team played poorly and he left Cleveland.
     
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    Both are violations of the bro code.
     
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    How do you figure Vonleh has a "slim chance" of becoming Jermaine? And no, overpriced role players are at the bottom of the list for a reason. Which champion do you know said "I know! Let's pay 8M a year for a role player. That'll put us over the top!" Not even JJ Redick or Kyle Korver or Tony Allen (much better "role players" than Ariza) got 8M/yr, and they didn't put their teams over the top. Who did the Heat or Spurs overpay to be a role player? No one. They got a bunch of MLE, BAE and vet min contracts while (in the Spurs' case) they picked up young players with upside to develop that others had passed on. Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard, Patty Mills all played "role player" parts on some really good teams. Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole were young guys who played a role, and role players like Battier and Anderson and RayRay didn't make 8M/yr.

    So yeah, recent history shows that winning teams have more Noah Vonleh types contributing (rookie contracts, upside, maybe not their first team) than Trevor Ariza types (veteran role players, 8M+/yr, downside of career). If we don't have 2-3 go-to players, it doesn't matter if we have role players or not. If we do, we don't need to waste cash (or the opportunity of getting those go-to players) on expensive role players.
     
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    Chandler is as good as Hibbert, a locker room leader and has championship experience, and Carroll is a 40% 3pt shooter who's a lockdown defender and works his ass off, and you think LA would want them less than Roy Hibbert????
     
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    I guess yall forgot about the Spurs paying Diaw $8M, Splitter $11M, and relying on their ROLE PLAYERS for championships! Roy Hibbert is a role player but you guys want his $15M contract so bad!
    BTW I've changed it from Ariza to Chandler. Chandler is more gettable, a better player, and cheaper
     
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    In the same way that not wearing your seat belt and driving drunk are both moving violations.
     
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    how do you figure Vonleh will become Jermaine O'Neal????
     
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    In the workplace youd get fired for underperforming as much as Hibbert did in this 2014 playoffs, and it wouldn't matter if his best friend co-worker fucked his wife.
     
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    Dallas. Tyson Chandler.
     
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    I probably missed this in one of the many threads on the subject, but doesn't Indiana need a center if they trade Hibbert? I know they drafted a big but I wonder if they like Robin Lopez. A sign and trade would come in handy for us. Not dollar for dollar, but it would help us get closer. I imagine they would try to get Vonleh (Indiana) Pat (ND- Indiana ) or Plumlee included. I really want to hold on to both of those bigs.

    I guess another question is...... would Rolo like Indiana
     
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    Oh lmao!!!! I was thinking he was referring to Wilson Chandler. I was tripping!

    That does change everything. I would definitely consider Tyson Chandler and Caroll over Hibbert without a doubt.
     
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    No, I didn't forget Splitter getting 9M a year because SAS "matched" us. And all he's done is not only have a better Drtg (not the end-all of D stats, but still) than Ariza every year of his career, but every year but his rookie year has had a better PER than Ariza has EVER had. Maybe the amendment..."starting centers with PERs of 19 in his first 3 years, getting paid in his prime, get a premium" could be added to the list.

    Diaw makes 7.5M/yr with his performance bonuses NOW but SAS didn't pay him that to start. He was getting 4.5M a year after he got picked up off of waivers and when the Spurs won a chip and should've won two.

    Forget becoming Jermaine. Or Kawhi. Or Draymond Green. Or (choose any number of young players that thrived when given a chance). Maybe all he does is become Patty Mills. Hell, maybe he becomes Rafael Araujo. But the chances of contributing as a role player for a championship-level squad seem, historically, far greater as a player with upside on a rookie contract (even on his 2nd chance) than for a "much-more-than-MLE-past-his-prime veteran." I probably will waste too much time writing this, but can you think of even a Conference Finalist that had an over-30 role player making 8M/yr in the recent past?
     
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    You may want to consider if the Blazers want to play a lot of small ball that Mutombo-lite isn't the kind of C you want to be paying a big chunk of your cap to. I can easily see the Blazers going with 3 guards much of the time.

    I've seen Hibbert plenty in the east and he's got Mutumbo's offensive game. Or lack of it. His defense isn't a difference maker like Mutombo. I don't think a change of scenery is the answer for him.
     
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