A.L. East snap shot

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  1. Messiah717

    Messiah717 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Giving it the old if the season was to end today. These would be the AL playoff teams.

    Tampa
    KC
    Houston
    New York
    Minnesota

    While I would certainly give a nod to KC out of that group you cannot tell me that Houston and Minnesota are better than Tampa and New York. KC ending up going up against an AL East team in the ALCS wouldn't be very far fetched.
     
  2. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...I said "none of the A L East teams are very good"...and they aren't. And the notion that one of them may or may not end up in the ALCS doesn't change that.

    ...using today's standings as a PS projection is OK for shits and giggles but as we know, a lot of things can change between June and October, some for the better, some for the worse and I can realistically see 4 of the 5 team you listed not making the PS at all.
    ...There always seems to be a team or two that gets hot near the end and one or two that suddenly go south. We're not even 1/2 way through the regular season yet and so far I have yet to see a team in the East distinguish themselves as being "very good".
     
  3. Messiah717

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    Yes, but besides a team or two in all of MLB who us all that good? Get into the post season this year and anything can happen.
     
  4. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...well, that's always the case, and there's 10 teams out of 30 that will make the PS...All I'm saying is that none of the East teams are very good.

    ...and obviously, the object is to win it all, not simply make the PS. But as far as the Yanx, there's not one game one starter who would get a "warm and fuzzy" feeling in a playoff. And like I said earlier, I think this team is way too dependent on the HR, which is something that generally that is expose in the PS when you're facing better pitching game after game.
     
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    totus44 Lord of the Dark Side

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    Can't recall a season in quite some time where there aren't 4 teams standing out as "the team to beat". We've got quite a few teams that are performing well below their on-paper expectations.

    To me, because of the pitching questions and anaemic offense that depends on the HR, the Yanks are playing above my expectations.
     
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    Strange season indeed. Boston and Chicago were supposed to be top AL teams according to the experts. They better have some huge second half then.
     
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    And weren't we a year away from the all- Chicago series?
     
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    The Yankees are 20-8 when they hit at least 2 HRs in a game. And 21 & 26 when they don't.
     
  9. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...yeah, I was never impressed with Boston's rotation even before the season began but I thought the offense would be much better than it has been..

    ...but as of now the Yanx are batting .259, barely better than Boston's .255.......not much difference in pitching either as NY has a 4.11 ERA compared to Boston's 4.45 ...Baseball is a very strange game sometimes..
     
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    Yeah I kinda felt the same about Boston with there piss poor rotation. But I did expect more from the White Sox. BTW: in case anyone is curious Robertson is 4-2 with a 2.84 ERA & 15 of 19 in save opportunities.
     
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    Yanks currently in middle of the pack (.260) in BA w/risp. Not so bad considering they DO score runs and hitting HRs w/risp count as much as a nice little line drive single....lol.
    They're batting .313 with loaded bases, which has been one of their bugaboos in recent years.

    They're 2nd in the league in SLG% with runners on base which is a very good formula including being tied for 4th in doubles w/runners on base...5 from 2nd place...
    ...and tied for 2nd in doubles w/risp....not too shabby.

    Sure, of course I would like to see their ba w/risp 20 or 30 points higher but the thing - imo - which will/maybe/probably prevent (excluding mass injuries) the Yanks from winning this division is poor SP....they need -imo - to be close to the top 1/3 in league SP ERA or at least better than league average.

    This currently is a "Yankee" offense which should be good enough to carry it's load over the full season.
    Overral they're putting good points on the board and they do it at a pretty good pace.
    ( % of games scoring at least 5 runs)

    And they're missing Ellsbury who happens to be a .300 hitter w/risp.
     
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  12. yankeesince59

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    ...unfuckingbelievable...cherry pick away. Seriously, you had to dig that hard to paint a good picture? Bases loaded BA?...SLG with runners on base?...doubles w/runners on base?...doubles w/RISP?...What kind of BS is that?

    ...instead of trying so hard to find that silver lining, why not include the fact that their 12th in the AL in team ERA?...why not include the fact that since the firse 25 game of the season when they started 16-9, for the last 51 games they're a sub-.500 team....cherry pick around that.
     
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    ^^^^sorry this formula is a gross over simplification of a much more dynamically complex system. Are you sure you're not a Greek banker?
     
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    totus44 Lord of the Dark Side

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    ^^^^^funny, but when I shake my magic 8 ball, I get a completely different set of key stat indicators.
     
  15. yankeesince59

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    ...^^^ can you believe that shit?...I'm surprised he did not claim that the Yanx are the best in the AL when playing during a full moon.
     
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    totus44 Lord of the Dark Side

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    only when on grass...you have to remove the losses at night on turf.
     
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    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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    Right now before the first pitch my O's are sharing 1st place. Yes! I hope the take down the Rangers @ home. .
     
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    Not cherry picking....simply pointing out GOOD offensive numbers/production...WITH RUNNERS ON BASE and SCORING POSITION.

    SLG% with runners on base is a solid very real, very effective way to score runs and you were the one who brought up hitting HRs w/risp as if it were a negative thing...lol

    I happened to ALSO include other extra base hits with runners on base - doubles.
    Want to discard getting alot of extra base hits (and HRs of course) with runners on base?

    The team is currently batting .260 w/risp...slightly better than league average and I've already said I would surely like to see it "20 or 30" points higher...but toss in those other "cherry picked" (lol) stats and the offense has NOT been this team's problem so far, this season.

    I'll leave you with this to try and pick apart....in my post (#31) which you found fault with,
    I also said-
    "but the thing - imo - which will/maybe/probably prevent (excluding mass injuries) the Yanks from winning this division is poor SP....they need -imo - to be close to the top 1/3 in league SP ERA or at least better than league average".



    Jeez......I'm scratching my head.
     
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    Are they any different, more detailed, and specific, or more revealing than anything I've mentioned? (post31).


    I just hope you won't "cherry pick" by telling me the Yanks aren't getting enough hits w/risp excluding HOME RUNS.....lmao

    I'm all ears....be my guest, willing to learn.
     
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  20. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...uhhh no, it was cherry picking, at its best...or worst. It's what you do. You hand picked SOME numbers w RISP, you know, the ones that looked the best to you.
    ...here's your MO...You get a notion and only then scramble for some obscure stats to support your stance...instead of first fully reading and digesting stats and then formulating an educated opinion. You've been doing it for months.

    ...and sorry, but "SLG with runners on base" is directly influenced by the disproportionate number of HRs which I pointed out...and the reason it was pointed out in the first place was because something else I've pointed to multiple times, which is this team is way to "HR dependent"...something that generally "is exposed in the PS when facing better pitching".
     

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