A.L. East snap shot

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  1. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...I'm sure Showalter will keep the O's playing up to their ability...he's been good at that.
     
  2. Rick2583

    Rick2583 Chairman of the board

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    I know you're always a glass half full guy but all is not as rosey and you point out .......................

    The Yankees are 9th in SH
    The Yankees are 12th in ERA
    The Yankees are last in SHUTOUTS
    The Yankees are 13th in QS
    The Yankees are 1st in WILD PITCHES
     
  3. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...rick, are those stats for odd numbered days or even numbered days?
     
  4. Rick2583

    Rick2583 Chairman of the board

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    Those are for games played on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Fridays & Sundays. But only when right handed pitchers pitch at least 5 innings but no more than 7 innings.

    Oh And it only applies for pitchers that do not have a E, O, R, I or A in there names.
     
  5. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ^^^ NAILED IT !
     
  6. blgridesagain

    blgridesagain team player

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    Not sure why you're taking issue with me for bringing up other offensive stats which result in producing runs but let's first try and establish couple of things.

    1) I did note your mention of the Yanks' ba w/risp....they came into tonight's game batting .260 w/risp which is middle of the pack and (for the THIRD time) I said I would also like to see it "20 or 30" points higher.

    2) The Yanks' SP ERA is 13th in the league which is lousy and I also said (for the THIRD time) poor SP will probably be the reason this team won't win the division (or make the playoffs)- I have said ever since "pre-season picks" the Yanks will/should score considerably more runs this year and, but, they are going to need their overall pitching ERA to be in or close to the top third in the league. Right now it isn't happening...obviously.

    3) And I not only referred to HRs w/risp and runners on base, I mentioned doubles and extra base hits in general ➡SLG%, a mighty important stat whether some like it or not.
    If you have a problem with a team getting alot of extra-base hits with runners on base, then I can't help it.

    4) I'm well aware you can't expect to hit "alot" of HRs vs top notch pitching and during pressurized post season games. This is where having "good consistent SP" comes into play which the Yanks currently do NOT have.
    Team have to try and stay close to the other team's top SP and you need YOUR SP to keep it close...hopefully the team can scratch a couple of runs and eventually maybe getting into the opposition's bullpen and win the game......oh, and just for the record, teams have been known to hit a HR or two in the playoffs and WS. Lmao


    I don't know if you realize this, or if anyone has mentioned it to you but, it seems like you call ANY stat which may not bolster your point or doesn't quite fit YOUR narrative "cherry picking".

    Always good to kick things around in an amiable fashion.
     
  7. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...I think it's rather obvious that you're the last person whose validation I would consider worth having.
     
  8. totus44

    totus44 Lord of the Dark Side

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    You know, cherry-picking is an art form.....too bad you're painting with your toes.
     
  9. stampedehero

    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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    C'mon . We have to have some fun at the begining of July. As we speak the O's have been red hot. Give the singer some.
    Damn. A loss at @home 8-1. We got rocked by one player.
     
  10. blgridesagain

    blgridesagain team player

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    But I noticed you offered nothing when I asked you to follow up

    "Yanks are 20-8 when they hit TWO HRs in a game"
    ....not one but TWO...lol
    Nah, that's not cherry picking......not at all.

    Bottom line- no cherry picking crap excuse accusation needed, bottom line is the reason why this Yankee team isn't in first place by a few/couple of games is because of their SP ERA going south as the season is progressing.....NOT because "they hit too many HRs".... not because they have a mediocre team ba w/risp relative to the REST OF THE LEAGUE..
    ....by the way, they are currently better than 64% of the teams in the league in BA 2 outs w/risp...lol......AND I DO THINK THEY SHOULD BE BETTER!....so let's get that out of the way.

    This team is 2nd in the league in scoring runs...and near the bottom of the league in team ERA.

    Want to venture a guess on what is holding them back from having a decent first place lead in the division so far?
    One hint, It's NOT because they hit - LMAO - too may HRS...

    I'll give you ONE guess--- ready, set, GO!

    lol
     
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    blgridesagain team player

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    Excellent point...and accurate.
    I laugh when I hear some say "there isn't a very good team in the A.L. East".
    The question begs to be asked - just who exactly are those other " very good teams"?

    Thus far ---
    KC? Yanks have already taken the season series from them and I have no doubt the Yanks can also hold their own and beat them in a short playoff series.


    Baltimore? Yanks are 5-5 vs them thus far. Nuff said.

    Houston? Yanks 2-2 vs them with all 4 games AT Houston.

    TB? Yanks 6-4 vs them.

    Tigers? Yanks 5-2 vs them.

    Angels? Yanks 3-1 vs them.

    Only KC has a sizeble better record than the Yanks at 5 or so games but they've played four less games.

    Only Baltimore, TB (0.5 g) and Houston (3 g) are the other teams with better W-L records than the Yanks. Not exactly breath-taking.....ho hum.

    So what's all this crap "we" keep hearing from others about the A.L East not having any "great teams" as if there are obvious OTHER powerhouse teams in the league..?
    What a joke.LOONEY TUNES - imaginary boogeymen. Lol
    Good post Mess, you put it in proper, REAL perspective.

    Oh, yeah...the ST Louis Cardinals......great fancy record....and how many teams who finished with THE BEST RECORD have gone on to win the WS in the past 10, 20 years?

    Lol


    Let us enjoy the season....kick around the ups and downs of our team and hold onto your shovels because we still have a ways to go before we bury the Yanks.
     
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  12. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    "Cherry picking" ;

    A quick Google search yields the following definitions:

    Definition One

    Cherry picking is the act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

    Definition Two

    To pick out the best, or most desirable items from a list or group, especially to obtain some advantage or to present something in the best possible light
     
  13. blgridesagain

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    blg says:
    Two bottom line, real tangible stats regarding the Yanks' hitting and pitching on June 30
    are-
    1) Yanks currently 2nd in league is SCORING runs.
    2) The Yankee team SP ERA is 13th in a league of 15 teams.

    And you're nitpicking over the Yanks "relying" on hitting HRs, and the team's MEDIOCRE BA w/risp as the primary reasons why they happen to be ONE game out of First place?
    C'mon now, can we please drop this?....I'm getting lightheaded from running around in circles with you.
     
  14. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ..."getting light headed"?... can you pin point when this chronic symptom began?...my guess would be the OP.
     
  15. Rick2583

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    My point on the 2HR games won & loss record was quoted by the announcers during a Yankee telecast so I guess they're cherry picking also.

    If you're going to point out the positive things on this team you might also point out the negative. Or don't you think there are any?
     
  16. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...but you know it doesn't work that way, rick...snap out of it.
     
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    Yeah, what the hell was I thinking?
     
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    Okay Rick, I head ya....but didn't you read my post (# 51)?
    I thought I covered the two basic bottom line, simplified, easy to understand STATS regarding the Yanks' strong points, and WEAKNESS.

    Here, one more time: (post 51)

    1) Yanks currently 2nd in league is SCORING runs.
    2) The Yankee team SP ERA is 13th in a league of 15 teams



    Can we, or do we NOT agree the primary reason/weakness why the Yanks are still bobbing along being an handful of games over .500 is because their SP (ERA) is terrible?

    Oh sure, we can toss around a few other "inconsistencies"...but no team is perfect and ALL good teams MUST have at least good solid SP and reliable late inning relief.

    Can we agree on this? C'mon fellas, I'm not looking to re-invent the game and I don't think either of you are.

    Let's close it out, okay?
    If you want to discuss it further, I won't mind....good old baseball talk is A-Okay with me.
     
  19. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...lol...about a month ago we were getting brow beat about how good the pitching is.

    ..."any way the wind blows".
     
  20. totus44

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    Blg I don't need to quote stats or draw comps to justify my statement and the Yankees are a mediocre team. With a 41-36 record that stat sums it up nicely. You want some perspective...ok, <70 wins/season = bad team, >90 wins/season = good team. 71-89 wins/season = mediocre team. Good team threshold varies +1 to +3 depending on number of 90+ win teams in the league.

    Anything else is cherry picking, and no level of that will make the 2015 Yankees a good team.
     

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