<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Jan 7 2007, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They run an Iso offense, with pick and rolls and screens and such. The don't run a fast tempo, or grind them out type game...it's really not unorganized except during a fast break, of course.</div>I see that. That's just general offense which nearly every team used. Every team uses isos and pick and rolls. Do the mavs run anything specific to their team only?
Umm, I don't think anyone runs most of their offense out of Iso's.Most team have a bunch of set plays...and then every once and while will Iso...the Mavs pretty much just run Iso plays the whole game, except when coming out of timeouts and such.They are actually under control, and very organized...they mostly know where each other are at most times, and you couldn't really do that if it was unorganized, lol.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 6 2007, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What else do the mavs have to prove to show they're better than the spurs? They beat them last year and this year they beat them twice on the road. This time it was on a second night of a back-to-back. The first loss was because the mavs were playing like crap at the beginning of the year. The spurs have no answer for Dirk and their small ball is pathetic. The mavs have badly outplayed the spurs for the last month and a half.</div>As a Spurs fan, there is only one thing that is still making people believe that the Spurs are better than the Mavs. The Spurs have won 3 championships in the last 8 years or so, and the Mavs havent won any. Although I believe the Mavs have passed the Spurs this season (last year I felt they were about equal), they havent won it all yet. If the Mavericks beat the Heat in the finals last year, I would bet that almost everybody would say that the Mavs are better than the Spurs.On the other hand, you are making it sound like the Mavs have clearly surpassed the Spurs. Which I dont find to be true at all. You are counting the last game where the Mavs beat the Spurs as a component as to why the Mavs are better. If you watched that game(which I know you did), you would even admit that Dirk was more on than normal. He isnt normally going to be that good....Also, Duncan played very poorly in the entire second half. Now im not going to make excuses as to why the Spurs lost, because they had plenty of chances to win the game, but I dont think you can really say Dallas is better just because they beat them in a regular season game. You are saying that the Spurs have gotten worse this season, and I strongly disagree with you. I think the Spurs are pretty much the same team. Manu and Duncan are both healthier, Tony has another year of experience under his belt, and although Bruce is older, he only needs to be effective from the corners on offense, and on the defensive side of the ball, which he has shown no true signs of slowing down. Unless you count the fact that he has been cold with the new ball.....which IMO, will go away in time. The Spurs lost Nazr Mohammad and Rasho Nesterovich.....I really dont think that is a big deal what so ever. Elson IMO is just as good as Mohammad and Oberto is better than Nesterovich. And like ROK was saying, the Spurs didnt use their centers last year in the playoff matchup so that doesn't matter what so ever. And just to say one thing, Elson didnt play in the last Spurs game which I think could have played a bigger role than you think. According to Pop, Elson is the 2nd fastest guy on the team which might not sound like a whole lot, but all that means is that there would be another guy to guard Nowitzki. So, although I think the Mavs have passed up the Spurs by a little bit, it isn't very much at all, and I still believe that if these 2 teams met in the playoffs, it would be a 7 game series and I have no clue as to who would win it. And I would take the Spurs over the Suns any day of the week......Until they prove that they can actually play defense, I will stick with the proven Spurs.
Bowen has shown signs of slowing down on the defensive end. Also Finley was an important player in the series against the mavs. He is really slowing down as well as Horry. Beno is just plain horrible. Elson might have the speed but not the coordination to stay with Dirk without fouling. No 7 footer except maybe Garnett can stay with Dirk. Players that bother Dirk are more like Haslem. Strong and athletic while being coordinated. I've already said there isn't a big difference between the mavs and spurs and if the mavs get cold against the spurs in the playoffs they will lose. The suns though I think you are underrating. I'm scared of the suns as I think they are the team with the best chance to beat the mavs. While Dirk was on fire Howard, Terry, and Harris played below par.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 7 2007, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bowen has shown signs of slowing down on the defensive end. Also Finley was an important player in the series against the mavs. He is really slowing down as well as Horry. Beno is just plain horrible. Elson might have the speed but not the coordination to stay with Dirk without fouling. No 7 footer except maybe Garnett can stay with Dirk. Players that bother Dirk are more like Haslem. Strong and athletic while being coordinated.</div>How has Bowen shown signs of slowing down on defense? That is a blatant lie....He is still the same defender that he was 3 years ago. Finley has slown down, but we have so much depth at that position that its not that big of a difference. All that means is that Barry is going to get more minutes, Manu will get more minutes, and other players are going to play more. And I wouldnt completley count out Finley. He has had a rough start to the season, but I dont think there can be THAT big of a drop of in less than half of a year. He may just be in a drought right now. Why would you say that Elson doesn't have the coordination? What can you honestly base that off of? Its not like he drops passes, its not like he cant stay in front of his defender, or rebound the basketball.....I never said that he could stick with Dirk. All I said is that he is fast and that he is just another player to throw at Dirk that isnt Duncan.EDIT: How am I underrating the Suns. They do this well in almost every regular season, and they have never been able to make it to the finals. They played agaisnt the Spurs two seasons ago with almost as good as a team as they have right now, and they got absooultey dominated in 5 games. AND, that is when Amare was 100 percent. Last year, the Spurs put up a better fight to the Mavs than the Spurs did. They havent proven anything in the playoffs IMO....Until they make it to the finals and put up a good series, they arent going to get my respect.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Elson can't guard Dirk. Dirk is much too crafty for Elson. Coordination means Elson can't switch directions well as Dirk likes to pump fake and get you off balance. Elson doesn't help San Antonio's rebounding problems either as he is a below par rebounder. Maybe there wasn't a big dropoff in Bowen but I notice he isn't that shut down defender that he once was and his shooting is down. San Antonio I feel is 3rd in the west but I feel they can win it all with some luck. Having to go through Phoenix and Dallas though is not what I call luck though unless they make a remarkable comeback in the standings. Dallas has a 4 game lead right now.
I cant even tell if you are reading my posts or not.....I know that Elson wont be able to guard him that well, but who in the league really can? All I am saying is that he is another guy to guard him so that Duncan won't have to. When Elson comes back, who do you think would be the one guarding him in the starting lineup? Horry is the one guarding him for the most part right now, and Elson is quicker and faster than he is, and I think he could do a better job than Horry of guarding him. Also, when Elson comes back, Dirk is going to have to guard him which I dont think he would do to great of a job at. Elson is faster, stronger, and more atheltic than Dirk which I could see causing Dirk problems. And Elson gets over 5 rebounds per game in just 18 minutes of play. That isn't really below average. I would say that is about average. And when you have a guy like Duncan on your team grabbing over 10 rebounds per game, it takes away from his. Well, considering how good Howard had been doing as of late, he didnt seem to that great agaisnt Bowen when the played. He shot 6% lower than his season average, and 2 points lower. I know its not a whole lot, but hey...its lower.As of right now, I will agree with you, the Spurs are the 3rd best team in the west. But in 2005 when the Spurs won it all, I think they had the 3rd best record that year in the West as well. And that year, they beat the Suns 4-1 in the playoffs. I would take the Spurs over the Suns no doubt in a 7 game series.....The Suns just havent proven that they can beat them in a 7 game series yet, or that they can beat any top 5 team in the league in a 7 game series. As for the Mavs, I give them a slight edge over the Spurs in a 7 game series right now, but I feel that it could go either way.
Yeah I read your post but if Elson is so great why is he only getting 18 minutes? 5 rebounds is not going to solve the spurs rebound problems. Mbenga also is extremely fast but fast doesn't equally success. Elson was a non factor the last time the mavs played the spurs. You are overrating his value. He isn't even better than Oberto and for sure he is no Mohammad. Rasho was a very good defender and Mohammad a scorer and rebounder. I think Popovich made a mistake by not playing them against the mavs last year though it wasn't a good matchup for them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 7 2007, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah I read your post but if Elson is so great why is he only getting 18 minutes? 5 rebounds is not going to solve the spurs rebound problems. Mbenga also is extremely fast but fast doesn't equally success. Elson was a non factor the last time the mavs played the spurs. You are overrating his value. He isn't even better than Oberto and for sure he is no Mohammad. Rasho was a very good defender and Mohammad a scorer and rebounder. I think Popovich made a mistake by not playing them against the mavs last year though it wasn't a good matchup for them.</div>Well, the Spurs have alot of guys that they have to rotate in at the Center and Power Forward Positions. Duncan, Oberto, and Elson all play minutes at the center position. Im not saying that Elson is a great defender or a guy that is going to stop Dirk, or that he is amazing on the offensive end, but he has a very quick first step for a big man, and he is just another guy that the Spurs could throw at Dirk. Nobody is going to stop Dirk, but having another body couldnt hurt....And why would you even mention DJ Mbenga? You know Elson is better than him. When the Spurs won agaisnt the Mavericks earlier this season, he played a pretty good game. He only played 6 minutes against the Mavs last time they played for some reason....But when the Spurs won their game, he had 12 points, 6 rebounds, 2 blocks, in 26 minutes. Thats not too terrible....And Elson is better than Oberto. Before Elson got injured, he was starting over Oberto. Neither of them are better than Nazr...I will give you that, but I think both Oberto and Elson are just as good as Rasho. Last year for alot of the season, Rasho wouldnt even get in to the games. He gave you nothing on offense what so ever.
Rasho did suck on offense but when he was starting the spurs were the best defensive team in the league. He has good defensive positioning and clogs the paint. His flaw was guarding quicker players that could take the ball outside so he was useless against Dirk. The spurs though wouldn't win as many as they did last year without Mohammad though. His flaws are similar on defense except he didn't have good defensive positioning as well. I would've still started him against the mavs because Dirk would also have trouble guarding him inside and he helps rebounding. Last time I saw Oberto was starting over Elson. I don't know if things changed but one game at the beginning of the year doesn't mean Elson is deserving of more minutes. We'll see if Elson is smart enough player because I'm thinking that is his flaw. Mbenga is extremely fast if you've seen him along with being strong. It doesn't seem to lead to success though. That's why I compared Elson to Mbenga. I think Elson is a tease because he will show great play for awhile and than start to suck.
Yeah maybe duncan cant stop dirk in some moves but Yeah he can handel him but dirk cant stop duncan from anywhere dude as I saied befor Duncan is better the dirk and Yeah mavs are pretty good team because they have agood players like terry,howard,harris stackouse and dirk in SAS your right bowen slowing down at D and some players sucked big time this season like finley but Yeah there is Duncan,manu,Parker I hope or I think spurs going to beat the mavs in the playoffs who cares about season matches spurs lost to bobcats once so?,nothin spurs going to beat the mavs in the playoffs and meet the suns then I duno anything can happen but I hope we will win then any team from the easy would be easy for us
^That post made absolutely no sense.Besides, Nobody on here can say definitively rather or not the Spur or Mavs WILL win a series...all they can say is I think this team will win."
dude your high first mavs won in game 7 last season beacuse duncan was not in full healthy and he also played better than dirk and the mavs were in full speed but now ha hes healthy and u will see I bet spurs will beat the mavs in 6 u will see
duncan played a great series but Dirk made all the plays. And right now Dirk isnt healthy. And recently the Spurs lost to the mavs. Dirk is the main reason the mavs beat the spurs and also why they mad ethe nba finals.
The Mavs... not because they've just won at Spurs... but they're the better team: deeper, hungrier, better balance of offense and defense overall, and are on a mission. Spurs too are dealing with trade rumors on Brent Barry and Beno Udridh (for Corey Maggette)... when the management is looking at trades as an option thesedays you know they're not satisfied with the result so far.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Grass @ Jan 9 2007, 08:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dude your high first mavs won in game 7 last season beacuse duncan was not in full healthy and he also played better than dirk and the mavs were in full speed but now ha hes healthy and u will see I bet spurs will beat the mavs in 6 u will see</div>What is he going to be able to do this coming year that he wasn't able to do these last playoffs? And how do you know he'll be healthy?
