http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/438...all_over_again/Hmmm... I think this could be good for both teams. Artest would be a better fit for coach Dunleavy and the Kings could use the offense that Corey can bring. I think Bibby and Maggette would be a nice duo.
Ron Artest is a nut case.Nobody should pay any attention to him when he wants outHe's a complete nutcaseIf people keep listening to him he will end up playing for about 15 teams in his career
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 24 2006, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ron Artest is a nut case.Nobody should pay any attention to him when he wants outHe's a complete nutcaseIf people keep listening to him he will end up playing for about 15 teams in his career</div>That's exactly why you should trade him. It's nott hat he's just a stupid person, there really is something wrong inside his head. The man is a few eggs short of an omlet.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart? @ Dec 24 2006, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's exactly why you should trade him. It's nott hat he's just a stupid person, there really is something wrong inside his head. The man is a few eggs short of an omlet.</div>yeah, but you gotta be tough on the guy. sorta like tough love. show him who's boss. cause right now he's a spoiled brat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 24 2006, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ron Artest is a nut case.Nobody should pay any attention to him when he wants outHe's a complete nutcaseIf people keep listening to him he will end up playing for about 15 teams in his career</div>you were probably on his tip when he won defensive player of the year
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 24 2006, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, but you gotta be tough on the guy. sorta like tough love. show him who's boss. cause right now he's a spoiled brat.</div>If you did that then he'd probably murder you. :dribble: I really don't understand this though. I thought he was happy in Sacramento. The Clippers would be a better team with him there but I just don't get it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Dec 24 2006, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you were probably on his tip when he won defensive player of the year</div>I used to love the guyWe were loyal to him here in Indy, we supported him through it all (free Artest!) and what did he do? he completely was ignorant and asked for a trade. He's never going to find people again who'll support him like we did. Artest has given us a black-eye. Why do you think we can't even pull above .500? He left us in an awkward state. It was a complete shock that he asked for a traade, and we're now getting over that. He ruined our organization.
Ronny will stay in SAC.Maggette on the other hand is going to be moved for sure. Where? I'm still trying to spot out some teams that would want him and what he could bring to that team. I would love the Cavaliers to trade for him and have him come off the bench. But I am guessing he wants to be a starter that is why he asked to be traded. Tough for me to say but I know he wont be going to SAC, well, IMO any way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I used to love the guyWe were loyal to him here in Indy, we supported him through it all (free Artest!) and what did he do? he completely was ignorant and asked for a trade. He's never going to find people again who'll support him like we did. Artest has given us a black-eye. Why do you think we can't even pull above .500? He left us in an awkward state. It was a complete shock that he asked for a traade, and we're now getting over that. He ruined our organization.</div>I don't blame him for asking for a trade. After the fiasco his role was diminished and it was completely clear that he wasn't wanted there, so he asked for one. It was clear it wasn't going to work for him AND Indy so he asked out, because it was a bad situation that only would have gotten worse. He didn't ruin the organization, the people running the team did. They didn't handle the situation well enough. They knew he wasn't fitting in and they were going to have to get rid of him at some point, yet they still ran the team and made moves as if he would be there for the long haul. I don't see how you can blame Ron for that.
This is actually a pretty good deal for both teams. But, what sucks for me, is that I'm a big Clipper fan, but I hate Ron Artest like the devil. So putting the man I hate on a team I like is going to be hard to comprehend.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Dec 24 2006, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't blame him for asking for a trade. After the fiasco his role was diminished and it was completely clear that he wasn't wanted there, so he asked for one. It was clear it wasn't going to work for him AND Indy so he asked out, because it was a bad situation that only would have gotten worse. He didn't ruin the organization, the people running the team did. They didn't handle the situation well enough. They knew he wasn't fitting in and they were going to have to get rid of him at some point, yet they still ran the team and made moves as if he would be there for the long haul. I don't see how you can blame Ron for that.</div>Really? Who embarrased the organzation by running into the stands? Who embarrased the organization not only nationally, but globally? Who created one of the biggest meelees ever, and still had his franchise stick behind him, when most would've released him? Who complained about shots, even when the offense was run through him, and he shot enough to average a surprising 19 ppg? Who asked for a trade in front of the media first, before consulting witht the front office? Who was a key part of a 62 win team, then got in trouble and headed us off to 41 wins? Who creaed confusion in the locker room, and among team chemistry? Who ruined the Pacers organization, once the proudest of all professional sports?Ron Artest did all of this.
I love Ron Artest as a player, no question. I love his hustle, and I am one to REALLY appreciate good defensive players. Defense is so underappreciated nowadays, fans would rather watch teams score 140 ppg with flashy passes and dunks... but anyway, that's a whole different subject.But to continue on what I was saying, Ron Artest is an awesome player, but he has so many problems upstairs, it's not even funny. I understand he comes from a bad neighborhood, and I understand he has his own "unique" personality, but will the guy ever settle down? Will he ever realize where he is, what he's doing, and how much he's getting paid? He needs to sit back and think, and take a step into reality. He needs to settle down, and he needs to realize that he can't be "the man" everywhere.That's the only thing keeping him in trade talks, him demanding the ball and him demanding that the offense should be run through him. He needs to play within the flow of the offense and play with the TEAM. Sacramento could be a good team if everyone was on the same page, but they aren't (well, Artest isn't anyway). He needs to realize he has two other All-Star caliber talents beside him (Bibby and Miller), along with a young offensive star (Martin), and a couple solid role players (Thomas, Abdur-Rahim, Salmons). He needs to follow what the team is doing, and he needs to exploit his strengths when he gets his touches. He also needs to realize that he shoots a horrible percentage.If he is dealt again, I'll be done sticking up for him. I will still like his game, no question, but I will never defend him or stick up for him in an argument again. I'll never again say, or think, "maybe he can do OK here." He has a pretty good team in Sacramento right now, and if everyone was on the same page, they would be a playoff team.On the trade: of course that would help LA a ton. It would allow them to choose: start two defensive studs (Artest/Ross) together, or keep Mobley in the starting lineup with a defensive stopper off the bench in Ross (which is what I would do). For Sacramento, of course they don't get equal on-court value, but if Artest is having problems with his touches and crap, why not? Maggette is a better offensive player than Artest, and he's extremely athletic, and also built like a tank. They'd miss out on the defensive end, but if Artest doesn't want to be there, then so be it.My prediction: it won't happen.
I don't understand why anyone would stick up for him. On the court, he is perhaps a Top 20 player in the NBA. He's the kind of basketball talent that can take a team to another level.But the man has something wrong in his mind. We're talking about someone who's making millions, yet all he wants to do is continue to act like he is from "the hood." I understand it is important to always know where you come from, and to always value that, but "the hood" is a life of violence, loss of hope, and negativity. Ron Artest is nuts, he's an idiot, and now I read he wants the offense to be ran through him? If you still stick up for the guy after this, something is wrong with you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 24 2006, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Really? Who embarrased the organzation by running into the stands? Who embarrased the organization not only nationally, but globally? Who created one of the biggest meelees ever, and still had his franchise stick behind him, when most would've released him? Who complained about shots, even when the offense was run through him, and he shot enough to average a surprising 19 ppg? Who asked for a trade in front of the media first, before consulting witht the front office? Who was a key part of a 62 win team, then got in trouble and headed us off to 41 wins? Who creaed confusion in the locker room, and among team chemistry? Who ruined the Pacers organization, once the proudest of all professional sports?Ron Artest did all of this.</div>I never said he did any of that. I said I never blamed him for asking for a trade. Yes he did all of that, and yes he asked for a trade, and I certainly don't blame him for doing so. And if you think it was Artest's and his alone fault for the 21 win drop off you must be on some solid LSD or something because one player isn't responsible for 21 games. The team in '04 that won 61 games was far and away better than the teams in 04 and 05 that won 44 and 41.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I never said he did any of that. I said I never blamed him for asking for a trade. Yes he did all of that, and yes he asked for a trade, and I certainly don't blame him for doing so. And if you think it was Artest's and his alone fault for the 21 win drop off you must be on some solid LSD or something because one player isn't responsible for 21 games. The team in '04 that won 61 games was far and away better than the teams in 04 and 05 that won 44 and 41.</div>you relize the only key difference in the roster from 2004 and the roster now? ron artest.there were no other players that were major to the great season that are not on our roster currently.
Maggette definetly wants out of the Clippers organization. They are playing like crap right now and have won like 1 out of their last 8 or something like that. The Kings are getting tired of waiting for the rest of the players to fit around Artest and become a 'spectacular' team as the Maloofs put it. This would definetly be a good trade for both teams but there would have to be a bit more that just Maggette for him..? I'm sure Artest makes quite a bit more that Maggette.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Dec 24 2006, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm sure Artest makes quite a bit more that Maggette. </div>No, I believe the contract match up. That is why it was so simple to just to a Peja for Artest deal straight up. I believe both Artest and Maggette make somewhere around $6-7M a year. It is doable, but I would be willing to bet that picks and a throw in, or two, would be involved.
I think that Artest is better than Maggette, obviously because he is a lockdown defender, but if artest is demanding to be traded (I dont know) then I guess it wouldnt be too bad. If Corey can stay healthy, and if he gets good minutes, then he can be a great ball player. He averaged over 22 a couple of years ago, and I think he could do that again with a clean slate.
So, so predictable. Who didn't see Ron Artest getting pissed off and wanting out after a while in Sacramento? The only part that surprises me is how little time it took.
