Year Age Team Gm PA. AB. R. H. 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB K Avg Obp Slg Ops Ops+ TB 1927 32 NYY AL 151 691 540 158 192 29 8 60 165 7 6 137 89 .356 .486 .772 1.258 225 417. Ruth 1927 24 NYY AL 155 717 584 149 218 52 18 47 173 10 8 109 84 .373 .474 .765 1.240 220 447. Gehrig These stats are beyond amazing....
Mantles problems started by high school football injuries leading to osteomyelitis, then during the '51 World Series he caught his cleats in an outfield drain that tore his right knee up. The medical treatment for those early problems he had was not up to speed like today. Even with that Mantle is his prime was one hell of a baseball player, power and speed galore. Despite his condition worsening each season Mantle had sack, always wanted to suit up and play, he was simply the best. I heard Harrelson talk about Mantle sliding into 2nd base during a game with blood oozing from his hip area and the man kept right on to it. Bauer, Skowron, Berra and Ford were all excellent Yankees but Mantle was the Franchise Man.
Mantle was one of those players where you never got up from your TV set when you knew he was coming up to bat. Watching him struggle to both run & swing the bat in his final season (1968) was sad to see but the man was still amazing to watch.
...you've "got to" ask?...really?...don't know for sure why you chose this quote to ask that particular question, but I have a pretty good idea why. ...according to the story, Mantle had come down with a bug and was not feeling well and on the advice from someone in the Yanx organization he got a shot...the injection site became horribly abscessed and was subsequently opened up to allow for drainage...the hole was described as being the size of a "50 cent piece" or the size of a "golf ball".
Geezus,.... it still and always will blow my mind, to have 2 players with well over 150 RBI's each. I don't think this record of RBI's, 333 total b/t 2 players, will NEVER be broken.........I don't think MLB will ever see Magic like in Ruth and Gehrig's days...... ______________________ Yep - totally agree. Ruth and Gehrig have to be -hands down, the best all around hitting tandem any ML team has ever had. Combined package career- Power (HR,RBI) and overall hitting ability (BA, OPS). And just for good measure- they both had great career post season (WS) numbers. Tremendous duo. Mind boggling.
When stationed at Carlisle Barracks Pa there was a civilian doctor working at the Medaac Facility. The man was 70 plus at the time, used to eat in the Mess Hall with us GI's. He used greet me saying "Hey Sarge you old Yankee you. Doc was from Pittsburg, very much a Pirate Fan, and when the '27 World Series was played he was a 20 year old attending college in NYC. Every day in the Mess Hall Doc would give us then young fans some good stories about baseball in the Twenties, Thirties and Forties. He had a brand new Robins Egg Blue Cadillac and he used to say they're going to bury me in that son of a bitch my last new car. I was transferred to the Military District of Washington in late '79 but when the Pirates won the World Series that year the first person I though of was Doc.
Right. Just putting this situation into contemporary terms. If that happened today, he'd be a suspect.
...but it didn't happen today, did it?...lemme guess, Jacobson? ...why did you feel compelled to ask a question you obviously already knew the answer to?...just to stir up and old argument? ...not gonna play your little game.
No, it was meant as a rhetorical comment given your post #16. Given that the Feds have dropped the remaining charges against Bonds were should consider him "allegedly chemically enhanced" lol! I don't support Jacobson, but I do find it interesting that people are so certain of chemical enhancement between the 80s til today, yet completely refuse to consider that performance enhancing substances have been around since the time of Babe Ruth. I've agreed with you that the probabilities of modern stars cheating is significantly greater than the older stars, and I'm not trying to assassinate anyone's heroes. Now when the powers that be deem alcohol was a PED, we can reopen the Mantle discussion, lol!
...no, it was in response to your question about what caused "Mantle's festering hole".?...and then to your subsequent statement that "if it happened today" Mantle "would be a suspect"...well, suspect of what exactly? If you were not saying that Mickey is suspected of using PEDS, what exactly was your point? ...again, it seemed very clear that you obviously already knew what caused the hole in Mantle's before you asked the question because you didn't quote my statement about Mantle's festering hole, but instead you quoted my post saying "chemically enhanced",...and even after looking at it once again, it implies that you think Mantle was technically "dirty" because there is conjecture about the "shot" he received. ...and you keep trying to draw comparisons between the recent PED scandal vs what MIGHT have happened many many years ago...but the fact is that unless you have some sort of time machine equipped with a "flux capacitor" you cannot say for certain what did happen back in the day because we just don't know...and you cannot retroactively undo the already inducted HOFers based on suspicion alone because any perceived proof was simply not available back then...if it had been, things might have been different and the HOF voters would have possibly voted differently. ...now, on the other hand, what we DO know for certain is that there are many who are being excluded from the HOF either because there is very little doubt they used PEDs or there is at least some doubt in the mind of the voters.
For the record, I'm not implying Mantle was dirty. He was a drunk, and probably not the best family man, but as a player - he played the game right. To sum up, we only know what we know. That includes the entire history of baseball.
