Haywood and Mike Miller to Portland

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  1. Blazinaway

    Blazinaway Well-Known Member

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    no kidding, what is wrong with some of these guys here?
     
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    Miller's salary just ate into the gap between our team salary and the salary floor--money that wll be paid out to our guys at season's end if not used--so this trade basically just took $200K out of each of our players' pockets. Someone's going to point that out to them, and they'll all rebel against Olshey, refuse to take the floor for the first game of the season, Olshey will be fired, and Paul Allen will move the team.

    Is all that worthy of a couple second round picks? :smiley-195517897341
     
    PtldPlatypus, Jul 27, 2015
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    And we still have more to absorb than they do. We gave up zero assets, zero flexibility. All we have up was some cash. They can't combine their trade exceptions with each other or with other players, we don't need trade exceptions. There is absolutely zero harm done to the Blazers here. We gained 2 future 2nd rounders. In the past Neil has turned those into Robinson, Lopez and Harkless... All of whom have more actual value than a 2nd round pick.

    I swear if Neil were walking down the street and found a $5 Bill people would complain he didn't do a good enough job because he didn't find a $20.
     
    Schilly, Jul 27, 2015
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    Sorry, folks - can bring myself to read 9 pages, but from what I understand, essentially the Blazers purchased 2 second rounders for cash?

    The players were just sort of intermediaries.

    Low risk, at worst low reward, at best find a Ginobili, Cliffy, Kersey, Duckworth, Rodman, Boozer....
     
    crandc, Jul 27, 2015
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Just because the other team got a bigger benefit from the trade than the Blazers did, doesn't mean it wasn't a good deal for the Blazers. Did the Blazers get more value than they sent out? If yes, then it was a good trade for us. Fans clamour for Paul Allen to use his wealth to outbid other teams, then complain when he does that Olshey took a "worse" deal than other teams would have? Some people just live to be negative.
     
    BBert, Jul 27, 2015
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    The Blazers have 2 more draft picks than they did 24 hours ago, using money they had to spend anyway. Total fail.
     
    Schilly, Jul 27, 2015
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    I'm not complaining about adding assets, but it seems to me that we didn't get a whole lot in return for doing Cleveland a huge favor.
     
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    Look past Cleveland for a minute. Who cares what benefit they got because they would have done it anyway with 2 other teams.
     
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    Exactly the point of acquiring them. For Paul Allen's spare change.
     
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    I have come up with 7 different scenarios on how we could trade for Lebron using the $23mill in cap space but can't create one that uses the $20 mill.

    It matters!
     
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    It's not even that. It's money they had to spend anyway. So it would have hit Allen's pocketbook regardless if this deal didn't happen.
     
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    You could always use Mike Miller in the trade! ;)
     
    magnifier661, Jul 27, 2015
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    As some of you have pointed out, we need 2nd round picks to make the lopsided trades we are all hoping for. We just didn't have enough left from other trades. So even though it is not an exciting trade, the only thing it cost was a few hours of Neil's time and some money from Paul Allen. (Money which has no effect on our cap) Thinking we could get a 1st round pick out of it is unrealistic. Cleveland would be stupid to do that. These picks IMO will be traded within the year.
     
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    You do understand that they got 2 picks for doing nothing basically, right?

    Why do I suspect you'd complain if the Cavs did this trade with someone else, for the exact same picks included.
     
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    Haha. Exactly. If Olshey didn't do this deal, and some other team did, it would be further evidence of Olshey's failure. LOL
     
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    This is exactly right. It's not just value that's important, it's also scarcity. Since others could provide what we could, the value that we would receive in return is less. Basic economics
     
    PtldPlatypus, Jul 27, 2015
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    If you're not going to take this serious you just don't care about improving the team.
     
    SlyPokerDog, Jul 27, 2015
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    It's amazing to me how many people in here dislike John canzano, but then parrot his stupidity.
     
    RR7, Jul 27, 2015
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    And the other reality is Cleveland didn't even need to do it. They are already pretty stacked and most likely favorites to win it all. They could have easily dropped Haywood for nothing and traded Miller to some other team for 2nd rounders.
     
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    that's his trade kicker, and they have to.
     
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