The Yankees will have to take care of business, Minnesota provided no help at all today, that trend will no doubt continue,
Yep, most definitely, those Twins, who only won their Series Home games, had a glaring -20** point differential..... I could of sworn a 2nd team, since the 70s, who appeared in a W.S. also had as horrible an away record, yet, can't for the life of me, recall who........ ** Rev. 1- "typo-correction, was: -17 S/B: -20
I didn't check by how about the Cardinals, didn't they win a WS a few years back with only 83 wins? What was there run differential?
blg here,.... (not Rob, lol) - but someone did expand on my negative run differential comment (post 19) concerning his fine post (#4). Take a good look at those Twins - you won't find too many others. Maybe I'll find the time to take a deeper look...kinda curious to see how many times it HAS happened. Maybe we can file it under teams who won the WS or pennant with the fewest seasonal wins or something like that.......1973 Mets? 82 wins and they took the great dynastic "Swingin' A's to 7 games in the WS before losing it. This was the middle WS title of the three straight Oaklnad won in those years.
Ok, here we go: the 2007 Diamondbacks, held a -20 Run Differential, as the LAST team to Win their Division Pennant, while beating the Cubs in the ALDS, then losing to the Rockies in the 07 NLCS...... (more on the way- maybe)
I'm gonna' keep on digging, cuz I do believe there were a few other teams, who won their Div Pennants with minus run differentials..... I too was thinking the Cardinals, and possibly Astro's; and will keep looking at Run Differential stats, as well as the Astro's, ah hell for all teams..... 014 Cards, as of Sept 2. 2014, the Cards had a minus -6 Game Run Differential, yet in the last 3 weeks, and by close of the season, held a 90-72 Record, with a finale of +16 Run Diff...... The 2006 Cardinals, with only 83 Wins, had a -6 Run Diff as of Sept. 2nd, 2014.......In the last 3 weeks of 014, those Cards, made up a -6 Run Diff on Sept. 2nd, 2014; to +19 at Season's end....AND WON the World Series vs Detroit. I can't seem to find anything to refute this statement noted below: {yet I believe the answer(s) or- "Teams who went to a Series, with a minus run diff, may just be in the decade of the 80s.......} The 2007 Diamondbacks were the last team to win a division title with a negative run differential, getting outscored by 20 runs over the course of the season. That Arizona team was 32-20 in one-run games, accounting for a big chunk of a 90-72 final record, and explaining how the Diamondbacks could finish ahead of a Rockies team that outscored its opponents, 860-758, for the campaign (including a one-game playoff for the wild card against the Padres). Colorado was 19-19 in one-run games that year. More or less the pattern I am seeing in Teams over History, who had minus Run Differentials and still made it into the Playoffs, basically won most of the 1 run decision games, but when they got beat, they were beaten soundly often in double digit beatings....... I'm gonna' still keep on looking at this Run Differentials of Teams in Playoffs, or Pennant Winners, more importantly at W.S. Winners, which I don't think the 87 Twins can be topped......
Thanks 59, you beat me to it. Can you think of any team who has either Won a W.S. or even Lost a W.S. with a worse Run Differential....? Feel free to jump in, the waters fine, and no sharks in sight, .....yet....!!
I laid this all out a while back - never claiming it was impossible for ANY team to EVER have a winning record with a minus run differential but DID point out how rare it was to finish in FIRST PLACE without a PLUS run differentials....an obvious stat/number accumulated by teams having a good winning record over the course of 162 games and has, and still does come with specifically staggering overwhelming frequency for WS teams. Just take a look, do the math over the course of 10-15-20-25...ect...years and count how many possible "first place" teams there were, and how many DID or did NOT have a plus run differential....then do the same with WS teams over the years and see how many of the participating teams had MINUS run differentials for the regular season. It's plain to see the evidence and frequency of this "number" popping up along with those teams. It's just one of those things.....I never intended it to be a major discussion (at THAT time) until some actually joked about it being some kind of flimsy non substantiated "number" (stat) that goes along with first place and WS teams.
Very doubtful you will find much if any. Especially since those years didn't include the expanded playoff formats. 2006 Cards are the closest I can think of.
Not going to find too many WS participants who finished the reg season with MINUS run differentials. It could be, and probably is one of the more predictable "stats" you can associate with WS teams. And if we want to stretch things and make it easier for those who don't buy into the creedence of this "number".... perhaps we can help them out by allowing AT LEAST a 15-20 plus run diff. lol Nah, let's leave it as it is..plain old simple "PLUS" run diff. The only thing more sure and "predictable" is the color of the grass on the field? Lol.
Could not get the run differential but the '73 Mets under Yogi won a weak East with 82 wins, turned the "Big Red Machine" into the "Little Red Wagon" then too a heavily favored A's Team to a WS game 7.
After reviewing all Teams who went to Post Season's in the last 25 years; focusing on their over/under Runs Differentials, I can't find any additional team's with a minus Run Differential, that went on to P.S. play........(or like Vic said, such information with the "expanded PS play format, thus I'm looking for any Run Diff, by any team, who simply won their Division Pennants, with a minus Run Diff)..... On the other end, what I've found even more amazing, was the 1998 Yanx +309 Run Differential, (boy were the 90s great!!!), compared with- 1961 Yanx: +215 Runs Differential 1927 Murder's Row + 376 Run Differentials.......... (Murder's Row, the best cliche title, ever to be labeled by any MLB Team, IMO)...... over time, I'm gonna' look to see What if any Teams, who may of even came close to these 3 Classic, and IMO, best Teams to ever play the game......
You have a bigger problem then that Martin. You still have one hell of a shark out there. With a mouth about this big.
