<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Dec 25 2006, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Pierce, he's so clutch at the line when needs to be. 21/21 against Indiana a few years back in their first playoff game. He does only shoot around 80-82% though, so maybe you'd want some who shoots a little higher percentage. But it seems like he always makes them when he has to.</div>he must not need to be very often... in situations with 5 or less minutes left in the game and his team is within five points he was a 67% free throw shooter last season. Interestingly enough he's 92% this season in the same situations (22/24) but it's earlyLast season billups shot an astounding 95.3% from the line in those clutch situationsDirk Noshowski is also 92% in the clutchNash is 89.5%Interestingly ray allen is only like 84% over the last two seasonsIn 02-03 (the earliest these stats were tracked) miller was 100% from the line in clutch moments
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Dec 25 2006, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Coming from a guy who said Reggie Miller was more clutch than Michael Jordan...Steve Nash is my pick.</div>what does that mean?reggie miller was one of the most classiest players ever. he never got in trouble or ejected
What does being classy and never getting ejected have to do with being more clutch than Michael Jordan?He has been ejected a few times...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Dec 25 2006, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What does being classy and never getting ejected have to do with being more clutch than Michael Jordan?He has been ejected a few times...</div>being classy? I'm talking about being a classy good guy, he doesn't get ejected in the playoffs, or for shoving little guys (I.e. Peirce)he hasn't been ejectedin the playoffs
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Dec 25 2006, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he must not need to be very often... in situations with 5 or less minutes left in the game and his team is within five points he was a 67% free throw shooter last season. Interestingly enough he's 92% this season in the same situations (22/24) but it's earlyLast season billups shot an astounding 95.3% from the line in those clutch situationsDirk Noshowski is also 92% in the clutchNash is 89.5%Interestingly ray allen is only like 84% over the last two seasonsIn 02-03 (the earliest these stats were tracked) miller was 100% from the line in clutch moments</div>I was referring more to his playoff performances, but yeah those are interesting stats. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 25 2006, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>being classy? I'm talking about being a classy good guy, he doesn't get ejected in the playoffs, or for shoving little guys (I.e. Peirce)he hasn't been ejectedin the playoffs</div>Pierce has plenty of class, he doesn't have a bad reputation whatsoever. Reggie on the other hand was a punk, he flopped worse than anyone, he was ridiculous.
Steve Nash for sure. He's always so calm and shoots a great percentage anyway during the regular season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Dec 25 2006, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Pierce has plenty of class, he doesn't have a bad reputation whatsoever. Reggie on the other hand was a punk, he flopped worse than anyone, he was ridiculous.</div>you're confusing two things:hate and respectyou hate reggie because he was some skinny kid who always stuck a dagger in your heartyou respect reggie because of his smarts. The way he could so easily draw fouls, the way he could outplay everyone, even though he had no athletiscm. You've confused the two together. What you used to respect is now what you hate. Never again confuse the two when talking about one of the greats.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 25 2006, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>being classy? I'm talking about being a classy good guy, he doesn't get ejected in the playoffs, or for shoving little guys (I.e. Peirce)he hasn't been ejectedin the playoffs</div>you mad?o Yeah and to answer my own question and stay on topic it's gotta be Billups..he has such a great shot and he never misses when I'm watching
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 25 2006, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you're confusing two things:hate and respectyou hate reggie because he was some skinny kid who always stuck a dagger in your heartyou respect reggie because of his smarts. The way he could so easily draw fouls, the way he could outplay everyone, even though he had no athletiscm. You've confused the two together. What you used to respect is now what you hate. Never again confuse the two when talking about one of the greats.</div>I respect someone like Kobe Bryant who's won 3 championships and is an amazing player, I don't respect overrated little weasels like Reggie Miller who have to cry to the refs and act because they can't play defense.
I would pick Nash. He has made some clutch jumpers in his time with us and he is the best free throw shooter in the league right now. That's a scary position to be in, I know I'd choke pretty bad. I'd probably airball a couple.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Dec 25 2006, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I respect someone like Kobe Bryant who's won 3 championships and is an amazing player, I don't respect overrated little weasels like Reggie Miller who have to cry to the refs and act because they can't play defense.</div>there would be no Kobe, not Arenas, no Wade, no 'Melo, no 'Bron going to the line as much as they do, if it weren't for Reggie. Like it or not, Reggie was an inspiration to today's superstars. Reggie played enough defense to establish himself among the top players in NBA history.
In my opinion, he's easily the most overrated player ever. He never averaged more than 24 PPG in a season, never won a championship, what's so great about him? He made a few clutch shots in the playoffs, and that makes him a legend?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Dec 25 2006, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In my opinion, he's easily the most overrated player ever. He never averaged more than 24 PPG in a season, never won a championship, what's so great about him? He made a few clutch shots in the playoffs, and that makes him a legend?</div>5 time all-starwould have a ring, if it weren't for Jordan, or Ron Artest's theatricsFor a long time, he was the second best in the East, right behind Jordan, not too bad to be second best behind the G.O.A.T. is it?He continuously destroyed the hearts of fans in one the World's biggest citiesAnd when it mattered most, he would always come throughHe never averaged 24 ppg? Fine, how about this? For about 16 straight seasons he was pretty much a 20 ppg guy. He had longetivity.What seperates him the most is his ft%, 3 pointers, and clutch performence.He holds the NBA record in 3 pointers made (nobody will ever pass it (Ray Allen is still 1,000 3s away)), probably holds the record for most clutch shots made, and was continuasly one of the leagues premier ft shooters.Put it this way, have you ever seen Reggie miss a clutch shot? Ever? We've seen Jordan miss a clutch jumper vs Cleveland, but we've never seen Reggie miss a clutch 3. That is what makes the legacy of Reggie Miller so great.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 25 2006, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>5 time all-starwould have a ring, if it weren't for Jordan, or Ron Artest's theatricsFor a long time, he was the second best in the East, right behind Jordan, not too bad to be second best behind the G.O.A.T. is it?He continuously destroyed the hearts of fans in one the World's biggest citiesAnd when it mattered most, he would always come throughHe never averaged 24 ppg? Fine, how about this? For about 16 straight seasons he was pretty much a 20 ppg guy. He had longetivity.What seperates him the most is his ft%, 3 pointers, and clutch performence.He holds the NBA record in 3 pointers made (nobody will ever pass it (Ray Allen is still 1,000 3s away)), probably holds the record for most clutch shots made, and was continuasly one of the leagues premier ft shooters.Put it this way, have you ever seen Reggie miss a clutch shot? Ever? We've seen Jordan miss a clutch jumper vs Cleveland, but we've never seen Reggie miss a clutch 3. That is what makes the legacy of Reggie Miller so great.</div>Pierce is already a 5 time all-star, the "would have a ring" argument is completely invalid, as it can be applied to tons of teams. When was he ever the second best in the East, yet alone "for a long time?" He was a 20 PPG scorer for 12 seasons, and that's being generous and counting 18 PPG as 20, 16 is beyond pushing it. I'll give you the 3 pointer argument, that's about all he has going for him though. FT% is meaningless, plenty of players have great FT%, it's not a particularly important stat, and a poor argument for the basis of calling someone a legend. Saying he's never missed a clutch shot is absurd, of course he has, but yes he's made his share too. I stand by what I said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Dec 25 2006, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Pierce is already a 5 time all-star, the "would have a ring" argument is completely invalid, as it can be applied to tons of teams. When was he ever the second best in the East, yet alone "for a long time?" He was a 20 PPG scorer for 12 seasons, and that's being generous and counting 18 PPG as 20, 16 is beyond pushing it. I'll give you the 3 pointer argument, that's about all he has going for him though. FT% is meaningless, plenty of players have great FT%, it's not a particularly important stat, and a poor argument for the basis of calling someone a legend. Saying he's never missed a clutch shot is absurd, of course he has, but yes he's made his share too. I stand by what I said.</div>find a clutch shot that he missed and then I'll respondfind a video, picture ... any clutch shot he missed and I might believe you
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 25 2006, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>find a clutch shot that he missed and then I'll respondfind a video, picture ... any clutch shot he missed and I might believe you</div>It's almost impossible to find a video of every single clutch shot he's made so how in the hell is anyone supposed to find ones that he missed? Miller probably missed most of his clutch shots but he was a very good player and I, personally, have him as a top 100 player in history.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Dec 25 2006, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's almost impossible to find a video of every single clutch shot he's made so how in the hell is anyone supposed to find ones that he missed? Miller probably missed most of his clutch shots but he was a very good player and I, personally, have him as a top 100 player in history.</div>You don't have any evidence. You can't say he missed any until you show me a miss. I can say he made all of them because I've never seen him miss. All of his clutch makes are on tape, somewhere.
That's ridiculous, as ASUfan said of course I'm not going to be able to find that, but saying that he never missed a clutch shot is ludicrous.
