This is how Sanders is going to beat HilBil v.2

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    I do business everywhere! We are in 52 countries. LMAO!
     
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    well then you are propping up over 50 economies and blaming America for spending or borrowing which is sort of the same thing..I'd think you'd be on the buy american, hire american bandwagon given your disdain for the government's financial dealings with countries overseas
     
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    Don't know if you know this but all the exporting we do actually helps America. Our company and shareholders pay tax on revenue generated overseas. We employ legal americans and we don't fudge on our reporting. All our materials are made here in the USA to boot. We are very PRO AMERICA.
     
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    With that, let's move to this article....

    ALEXANDRIA, Va. — “Nothing disqualifies Trump.”

    That was the takeaway of Frank Luntz, the public opinion guru, after leading a focus group Monday night of supporters of Donald Trump’s Republican presidential campaign.


    For two and a half hours, Luntz quizzed a group of current and past ardent Trump fans about their views on the businessman. He discussed the candidate’s past liberal stances and played past video of Trump saying provocative things about women. Yet when the focus group was over, not a single person who was planning to vote for him said they had changed their mind.

    At one point, Luntz bolted from the room with the focus group to make sure the handful of reporters observing on the other side of the glass understood how big of a deal this was. “My legs are shaking,” he admitted.



    “This is absolutely for real,” Luntz said of the intense and loyal support for Trump. “And he is not going away. And he is as strong as every survey shows. All those people who think he’s going to implode have not sat and talked to these voters the way that they should have.”

    The focus group was made up of 29 people, six of whom said they no longer support Trump but did in the past. Asked to describe Trump in one word or phrase, the answers varied: “businessman,” “brave,” “successful,” “results,” “decisive,” “leader,” “guts,” “charismatic,” “bombastic,” “not a politician,” “not P.C.,” “true American,” “brash,” “decisive,” “kick ass and take names.”

    “When he talks, deep down somewhere, you’re going, ‘crap, somebody is thinking the same way I am,’” said one man.

    Asked to recall the specific moment they decided to support Trump, most people pointed to his comments on Mexico and the border when he entered the race.

    When Luntz surveyed the six people who no longer support Trump anymore, the most common criticism was his lack of specificity on issues and some of his comments regarding women.

    “All of his ideas are great,” said another. “And he’s got a lot of energy. I just wasn’t sure there’s enough specifics out there. Everything is very vague.”

    “I did see a Billy Bush interview with him and he seemed really…I guess chauvinistic is the word?” said another female in the focus group.

    “I didn’t like in the debates when he was the only one who would not say he would not run as an independent,” said one man.

    But for the most part, the focus group brushed those concerns off.

    At one point, Luntz showed the participants a video clip of Trump saying, “If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, I’d be dating her.” Some in the group agreed it was “creepy” but most dismissed it as an entertainer doing his job.

    “It’s funny,” one said, “not to be taken serious.”

    “He has a sense of humor,” said another.

    “It was great that he can laugh at himself.”

    Luntz gave the participants 21 examples of things that could be problematic for Trump today. That includes how Trump was once pro-choice, supported single-payer healthcare, gave more money to the Democrats, supported stricter gun laws, supported the legalization of marijuana and has been married multiple times.

    Yet, most people in the focus group said it was difficult for them to even care about most of them.

    “The man’s entitled to change his mind on things,” said one woman.

    “In the last 15 years, how many times have you guys changed your mind on something?” said a man.

    “Exactly,” another woman added.

    Luntz then asked the participants to rank what policy they like most from Trump. The most popular was Trump’s belief that Obamacare should be repealed and replaced.

    When Luntz reminded the group that Trump was once for single-payer, which is even more liberal than Obamacare, most people shrugged. “Different time,” someone said.

    Yet the one thing nearly everybody took issue with was Trump’s past comments questioning former prisoner of war John McCain’s heroism.

    “His statement about John McCain, that rubbed me the wrong way,” said one man.

    But most signaled they are willing to look past it.

    “He’s done some good things,” said a man. “The only real negative I had was his P.O.W comments. Everybody makes comments. You can’t judge his entire candidacy on a comment he made probably on the top his head.”

    All this means the rules of politics don’t seem to apply to Trump. Things that would probably damage — or end — other campaigns don’t dent Trump at all.

    His poll numbers, both nationally and in early caucus and primary states, continue to dwarf those of the other 16 Republicans running. And he’s drawing crowds of 30,000, like he did last week at a football stadium in Alabama.

    The campaigns of his rivals don’t seem to know what to do or how to attack him: the three people who have gone after Trump the hardest — Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, former Texas Sen. Rick Perry and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham — have seen their poll numbers evaporate.

    Some, like Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, have tried to lay low and not comment on Trump, while others, like Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, has gone out of his way to praise Trump so he can inherit the businessman’s supporters when he inevitably loses momentum.

    But, as the focus group indicated, that might not be so inevitable after all. “It’s really hard to see how you bring him down,” Luntz said.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/24/n...-tells-us-about-his-supporters/#ixzz3jqeMYgKh
     
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    and when I count to 10, snap my fingers, you'll wake up and not remember a thing
     
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    The war ran for 5 years without the need to raise the budget by $800B (the war didn't even cost $800B).



    Excuse to vastly expand government and spend way more.
     
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    good for you...they need to buy mushrooms and I wondered who was supplying them..now I know
     
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    wars running are not wars won...if I remember it was this administration that actually resolved the Osama bin Laden situation. I'm no economist but 5 years is a spec of dust in the scope of the wars we're still waging against Al Qaida and ISIS. African unrest is also sort of ignored
     
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    The cost of the wars decreased since we surrendered to ISIS in Iraq and rely heavily on drones to bomb our ally in Pakistan.

    Rahm told it like it is. Make it seem like a big crisis so they can use it as an excuse to pass BIG spending increases and borrow and spend many $trillions.
     
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    Wait so you think a democratic administration wouldn't go after ISIS or Al Qaida?
     
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    I'll agree that there's a ton of waste not only in war funding but across the board. The deficit is not just because of war, disaster relief has been expensive, oil spills, hurricanes, Haitian relief, etc..there have been a lot of issues over the last decade and we're still in the process of sorting it out. It's just not a short term fix
     
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    Not even with Katrina and 9/11 did it require $800B in "emergency" stimulus spending or increasing the budget by $800B a year, every year.

    Add it up. This is the spending on top of what Bush left him:

    $800B "emergency" stimulus
    $350B TARP
    $800B 2009 budget increase
    $800B 2010
    $800B 2011
    $800B 2012
    QE 1, QE 2, QE 3 Fed printed $3.5T

    But yay, his spending has been controlled to the point where he's not adding $trillions to the debt every year.
     
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    what the fuck are you even talking about? if insulting me is your goal...you've achieved it mags
     
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    If you believe you've been insulted because of arguments of our war efforts that justify trillions of dollars wasted by republican government is silly, then I'm sorry.
     
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    if you think I'm cheering about the deficit, you misunderstand my point Denny..personally I want to pull out of policing the world and put the money into our infrastructure but realistically it's going to be decades before this is on the mend and I don't blame one administration for the problem...just think it's time to stop arguing about it and get on with the process of fixing it, which bipartisan politics just seems incapable of doing. Obama has made mistakes but to use him as the scapegoat for our fiscal situation is to ignore the big picture..our failings have snowballed for a long time and our productivity and competitive culture is not competing in the modern world. We lag behind many nations in education, health care and in some cases, technology.
     
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    I blame the entire government as a whole. As I've said before... The only time this country has been prosperous in the last 20 years has been the year 2000. Since then, the entire country and leadership has been seriously fucked.
     
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    When the guy deliberately spent us tens of $trillions into debt, he deserves the blame. He had a veto proof majority in the senate and house, and that's how he got his "emergency" stimulus package passed. He could have spent it on infrastructure. Shovel ready jobs that never appeared - he lied, or talked about something he had no clue about and that cost us $800B.
     
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    Oldie but goodie.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/21/opinion/21dowd.html?_r=0

    They fell out in 2001, when Mr. Clinton gave a pardon to Marc Rich after rebuffing Mr. Geffen’s request for one for Leonard Peltier. “Marc Rich getting pardoned? An oil-profiteer expatriate who left the country rather than pay taxes or face justice?” Mr. Geffen says. “Yet another time when the Clintons were unwilling to stand for the things that they genuinely believe in. Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it’s troubling.”
     
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    The emergency is that the country could no longer pay it's bills and that is why he asked for the stimulus package and it's not that he just wanted to spend money deliberately but that he had to. I don't think not spending that money would have gone into the infrastructure at all. I have no doubt he's lied, he's a politician. Locally where I live employment is way up from the previous president's tenure. It's been a collective failure by government and not one man's blunder. It's been building for a long time and will take longer to turn around.
     
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    No. The "emergency" label on the bill was a technicality that allowed congress to go over budget. The spending had a minute effect on anything. The whole idea was to borrow and spend on a bunch of pent up liberal agenda items. Naturally they failed.

    Remember, Bush was president with republican house and senate for 6 years and veto the other 2. Democrats couldn't get anything passed on their own.

    Today's news.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-feds-stock-price-correction-1440458952

    When the Obama administration’s poorly designed 2009 stimulus legislation failed to produce a strong economic turnaround, then-Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke announced that the central bank would pursue an “unconventional monetary policy” by purchasing immense amounts of long-term bonds and promising to hold short-term interest rates near zero for an extended period.
     

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