<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 26 2006, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you relize even though I said reggie had less athleticsm, I still gave pierce the point?Miller was so much better.Pierce may play 14 seasons at the most, reggie played 18pierce will never score 25,000 pointsmissed free throws kill every team, look at every game decided by 4 points or less, if someone had made free throws that they missed, the result may have been differentyou guys are trying to put someone who may be top 100 ever in the place of someone who's top 50 evershut up, pay respect to history ,adn reconize a legend</div>Pierce may play 14 seasons?Did your crystal ball tell you that?He has fought through injuries and won't let them ruin his career like most players who play 14 years doPierce still has a good 7 or 8 years...maybe not in his prime which will probably be another good 3 to 4 years..but Pierce has a better chance at winning a championship than Reggie does...Reggie never won a championship and I think Pierce will get it done because unlike other superstars sh*tty teams the Celtics are trying to get better and based on talent they are one of the best young teams in the league..even if Pierce isn't the major part of the championship which may not come until the tail end of his career he will still have one and that will put him over Reggie in the history booksand are you seriously saying he wont score 25,000?he has 23,798 now LMAO
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 26 2006, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay, this is going to be my only post in this thread (which means it probably won't be)Pierce (Career ): GP GS MPG FG% 3fg% FT% ORPG DRPG RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG629 627 37.8 .440 .360 .791 1.1 5.4 6.6 3.9 1.7 0.7 3.15 3.00 23.6Miller (Career) :GP GS MPG FG% 3FG% FT% ORPG DRPG RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG1389 1304 34.3 .471 .395 .888 .6 2.4 3.0 3.0 1.08 .20 1.73 2.0 18.2So, who has the advantage in each catagory?Games Played: Miller (760 more)Games Started: Miller (677 more)Minutes Per Game: Pierce (3.5 more per game)Field Goal Percentage: Miller (.31 higher percentage)3 Point Field Goal Percentage: Miller (.35 higher)Free Throw Percentage: Miller (0.097 higher) (Do you realize how many more games the celtics could've one if Pierce would hit one or two more free throws in a game?)Offensive Rebounds Per Game: Pierce (.5 per game higher)Defensive Rebounds Per Game: Pierce (3.0 per game higher)Rebounds Per Game: Pierce (3.6 higher)* I'm sure we can all agree that Pierce had much more athletiscm than Miller had, enabling him to rebound much easier. Milelr was a pretty good rebounder for his lack of athletiscm*Assist Per Game: Pierce (.9 higher)Steals Per Game: Pierce (.62 higher)Blocks Per Game: Pierce (.50 higher) (Once again, the athletiscm difference)Turnovers Per Game: Miller (1.42 less per game)Personal Fouls Per Game: Miller (1.0 less per game)Points Per Game: Tie (Miller had much higher scoring sidekicks, which means his scoring wouldn't be as high)Clutch: Miller (Obviously, Miller is first or second in the category depending on where you put Michael Jordan)Advantagesierce: 8Miller: 8Result: Tie in stats</div>I stopped reading after that, completely flawed logic in your initial point voids your entire comparison.
Miller eclipsed 2000 points ONCE. Pierce already has four, and is well on his way to his 5th. Pierce is going to end up a better player than Miller. I don't care what you did in the playoffs, it's all thrown out the window if you don't win it all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 27 2006, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the player is not solely judged by hiself. the player is also judged by team. if you were o judge using hese two (which is how to find the best player) reggie fits in both.</div>Um not really. The team is generally out of a players control. Management buy and sell players they do the drafting etc. Its not peirce's fault that he has been on the end of some questionable management decisions. Indianna has pretty much always had smart guys in the front office, they mostly have a competitive team too. Peirce cannot be judged for things out of his control. Team success does is not a fair indicator of a players ability!Peirce is better player than Reggie. Reggie WAS a better winner.
I'm going to say that if the Pacers fans start replying in this thread and I feel it necessary to completely break down and argue his post then I will, but for now I don't think anyone is taking it seriously, so I'm not going to waste my time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Dec 26 2006, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Miller eclipsed 2000 points ONCE. Pierce already has four, and is well on his way to his 5th. Pierce is going to end up a better player than Miller. I don't care what you did in the playoffs, it's all thrown out the window if you don't win it all.</div>I don't think so. If you don't have the teammates to win it all you won't win it but if you were a great performer in the playoffs you can't take that away from him. Pierce is the better player though, even if he doesn't get to the playoffs again. This thread shouldn't have been made.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Dec 26 2006, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm going to say that if the Pacers fans start replying in this thread and I feel it necessary to completely break down and argue his post then I will, but for now I don't think anyone is taking it seriously, so I'm not going to waste my time.</div>Make sure not to explode if you do. You know people are keeping a close watch. :shifty2:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Dec 26 2006, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Make sure not to explode if you do. You know people are keeping a close watch. :shifty2:</div>I have yet to, and I've put up with a quite a lot of pretty ridiculous posts from him, so don't worry about it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Dec 26 2006, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think so. If you don't have the teammates to win it all you won't win it but if you were a great performer in the playoffs you can't take that away from him. Pierce is the better player though, even if he doesn't get to the playoffs again. This thread shouldn't have been made.</div>I agree with what you're saying, but I was talking to the extent that Pacerfan was. A guy could average 35 ppg in the playoffs but never get out of the first round because hes all his teams got, but raising your game to 35 ppg in the playoffs is crazy and you can't take that away from him like you said.Pacerfan was saying that winning was all that mattered and thats why he was better than Pierce - because his team won.
the thing is he didnt even win a championship so I don't know how Pacer's Fanm can argue that he was a winner just because he made it to the finals once and didn't win it
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Dec 26 2006, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont care if I get a warning for this - Pacerfan is an idiot.</div>That's good then. Now you won't be upset about it.
Agree yankshater and playa, that was a dumb comment on his part. Reggie didn't get any farther in the playoffs than Pierce did he? I do remember a clutch shot he made against the Bulls when I was 5 or 6. It got me so excited I ran around the house screaming...lol
a dumb comment on my part? what? lolReggie got farther than Pierce..he got to the finals ONCE and they didn't winPP made it to the ECF ONCE and they didn't winyeah Reggie got farther but Reggie wasn't a "winner"he never won a title
Reggie in the late 80s : PistonsReggie in the 90s : BullsReggie in the 00s : LakersReggie at the end : Too many team problemsIt's not an embarrasment or a downfall to have lost titles because of these taeamsI'd be honored to say I lost rings to these dynastiesReggie carried his teamHe had a supporting cast, but guess who won all those games in the playoff?You guys just hate Reggie. I understand that. Everyone outside of Indy hated him. Which is why he's not reconized and respected like he should be. Those of us who are fair realize how good he was. I'm done with this idioic, biased (torward pierce (watch something other than the celtics you homers))thread. Reggie loved being the bad guy/ the hated guy, fitting that he should be remembered that way by teams and their fans who he killed. I'm sure he's laughing at you guys right now. He fed off of hate, he loved it. That's the way he was, so that's the way I'm going to be in a thread abouut him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 26 2006, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Reggie in the late 80s : PistonsReggie in the 90s : BullsReggie in the 00s : LakersReggie at the end : Too many team problemsIt's not an embarrasment or a downfall to have lost titles because of these taeamsI'd be honored to say I lost rings to these dynastiesReggie carried his teamHe had a supporting cast, but guess who won all those games in the playoff?You guys just hate Reggie. I understand that. Everyone outside of Indy hated him. Which is why he's not reconized and respected like he should be. Those of us who are fair realize how good he was. I'm done with this idioic, biased (torward pierce (watch something other than the celtics you homers))thread. Reggie loved being the bad guy/ the hated guy, fitting that he should be remembered that way by teams and their fans who he killed. I'm sure he's laughing at you guys right now. He fed off of hate, he loved it. That's the way he was, so that's the way I'm going to be in a thread abouut him.</div>I never hated Reggie. I respected Reggie. It's you blowing smoke up his ass that has made me show my disdain (sorry pacerfan, ill stop using big words from now on) for him. To say the Celtics fans that have posted in this thread are homers is absolutely ridiculous and baseless. Just because we think Pierce is better means we're homers? Even fans of other random teams said Pierce is better. You're also posting stats that show that Pierce is better. You say Miller carried the Pacers? Pierce carried us with LESS support. I also don't get the point of listing those "dynasties". They lost to the Pistons in '90, the Celtis in '91 and '92, the Knicks in '93, the Knicks in '94, the Magic in '95, the Hawks in '96, the Bulls in '98, the Knicks in '99, the Lakers in '00, Philly in '01, Nets in '02, Boston in '03, Detroit in '04, Detroit in '05, and the Nets in '06, so I don't see the relevance of posting those teams when they only faced off with two of them, and IMO the '98 Bulls were the worst of their championship teams from that era. Your replies are swerving more and more off the topic of Reggie to you trying to prove other things. You have nothing left to prove. Just stop, you've embarassed yourself enough. Everyone knows the truth of this, and you don't need to bother trying to disprove it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 26 2006, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm done with this idioic, biased (torward pierce (watch something other than the celtics you homers))thread.</div>All the non-Celtics fans in this thread have agreed, even in the Nowitzki thread the Mavs fans agreed they were equal players, Pierce is an excellent and underrated player, it has nothing to do with our biases towards out home team. Calling us homers is rather ironic coming from you too, you're making far more ridiculous statements about Reggie than we are about Pierce.
To be honest I havent watched much of reggie but what I see him is just all mr clutch. Hes really good when it comes down to the most important point of the game. But other than that he cant really rebound and play defense and etc. Pierce on the other hand can do everything. And he can shoot just as well as miller possibly
Pierce and Miller aren't as athletic as guys like LeBron, Vince, etc..But Miller can hit the big shot, and he can knock down long range shots at will. He wasn't real strong at D, and he wasn't great on the boards. Pierce on the other hand..Pierce has been getting 6+ rebounds a game since his rookie season. He's one of the most underrated big time players out there, and he's very good in the cluth. He hasn't always been surrounded with great players, like the Celtics this year, there full of youth. Pierce also plays underated defense, he's always been a solid defender though. He has a great offensive game, and he can get it to the open guy when need be. The truth is, Pierce is the better player. Both are very cluth, but Pierce is the better all-around player HANDS DOWN.
