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  1. Denny Crane

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    Seems you were desperate to discount MarAzul's graph because a college student got it from NOAA and used it in a paper.

    Darn those academic institutions.

    As for the govt. ones, if NOAA says they are the raw data, I don't have a reason to doubt they are the raw data.

    It's when they massage the data to fix undesirable outcomes that I have a problem.
     
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  2. magnifier661

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    Like tuna, it seems we are losing our polar bears too

    Global population of polar bears has increased by 2,650-5,700 since 2001
    The official population estimates generated by the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group (PBSG) give the impression that the global total of polar bears has not changed appreciably since 2001:

    2001 PBSG report 21,500-25,000

    2005 PBSG report 20,000-25,000

    2009 PBSG report 20,000-25,000

    2013 PBSG website 20,000-25,000

    However, some accounting changes were done between 2001 and 2009 (the latest report available) that mean a net increase in numbers had to have taken place (see summary map below and previous post here.Note this is a different issue than the misleading PBSG website graphic discussed here).

    And while it is true that population “estimates” are just that — rather broad estimates rather than precise counts — it is also true that nowhere do the PBSG explain how these dropped figures and other adjustments were accounted for in the estimated totals.

    The simple details of these changes are laid out below, in as few words as I could manage, to help you understand how this was done and the magnitude of the effect. It’s a short read — see what you think.

    UPDATE 31 May 2015: See the latest population numbers here.

    UPDATE 5 December 2014: Links to more recent posts relevant to this issue added below. [including this one: Status of Canadian polar bear populations has been changed – more good news October 28, 2014

    UPDATE February 14, 2014 — a new status table has been released, see new post here

    UPDATE February 18, 2014 — see graphs of the 1981-2013 estimates here.
     
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    Seems better since the US named them an endangered species. Far less hunting seems to be helping their overall numbers. Just not sure you're asking me this when I've never brought up polar bears and you could find these answers with a simple google search.
     
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    I'm sure he found it like all the others. :biglaugh:
     
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    No, Marazul got his graph from a website on Virginia Fossils. A website that hasn't been updated since the Clinton/Gore administration. You're the one who posted the graph from a student's community college research paper. It would have been nice if you also posted his grade on this paper.
     
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    Again Denny, you're on record in this thread saying there is no global warming because the US ordered ice breakers. The graphs you've posted and seem to be chest thumping over do not support that.
     
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    I fail to see the significants of where I got the graph since the graph originated with NOAA. You know, showing an image in this site of something that is already on some site is easier than uploading an image to show it. So what the heck is your point?
     
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    I'm not debunking the graph. Actually you're the one who debunked the graph yourself when you called it "click bait".
     
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    By your own admission you didn't know where that graph came from when you posted it. If you wanted to use a NOAA graph then why not go to NOAA and use one of their graphs. Should I not be curious and question where data and information comes from?
     
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    But but but, They were supposed to die off because of the polar caps melting?!??
     
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    Mags it was your first post that talked about polar bears. Then you post an article that uses data showing how reduced hunting in both Canada and the US has helped to increase the number of polar bears. (And supports what I told you in my reply about your polar bear question.) I don't really give two shits about polar bears but it was nice of you to help discredit the author of the first article you posted.
     
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    But I did know it was from Noaa, I recognized the graph. I did not care who made it available to reference. I had the graph in PDF form ...
    aww fuck it, never mind.
     
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    I'm here to help.
     
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    Wow, you're the graph example of photographic memory. I am completely impressed. And a little jealous.
     
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    I never ever said there's no global warming.

    But argue against that strawman all you want. I'm happy to watch you do that.
     
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    Yes or no, did you post an article in this thread that says because Obama ordered Ice Breakers means there is no Global Warming?
     
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