Black People can't be racist

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  1. oldfisherman

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    Denny, you need to watch the documentary I linked below. You "may" change some of your views after watching it.

    It is a good looong documentary about the history of the Indian Wars. There is a lot of history in this documentary that is not well known, or, taught from history books used in schools today.

    There were many local conflicts from the very beginning of the Euro migration to the USA. This documentary covers some of the early conflicts.

    Probably the first president to make the war against the Indians a national battle was Andrew Jackson. After the civil war, Grant ramped up the war on the Indians that eventually turned into genocide.

     
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    Don't break an arm jerking yourself off there Denny.
     
  3. MarAzul

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    Yes we get that feeling! And more than a few of us can't appreciate why is continues.

    Slavery ended 150 years ago. Most of the slaves were were held by a very few people, 393,975 of a population of 27 million. I would also point out that almost none of these people originated slavery or enslaved anyone. They purchase slaves that were already enslaved or the children of slaves expanded their holdings. Most all people enslaved (white and Black were enslaved by Africans or Arab (Muslim) slave traders, then sold to slave traders. Probably more Europeans were enslaved than African Blacks but they were
    kept in the Caliphate where as the Blacks were often sold to buyers in the Americas. The first official slave holder in the what was to become to US, was an African in 1621 Virginia.
    One of the largest slave holders was a Black woman in New Orleans (memory of history hopefully correct here).

    Now, most of the 280 million white people in this country did not descend from the handful of slave holders. It is damn hard for many of us to accept responsibility for the slavery of Black people or to accept any inherited guilt that it occurred. This seems to be what some black people want as well as bleeding heart liberals, while they appear to be completely uninformed that white people were also enslaved by the same culture that enslave the ancestors of the Black Americans. The big difference between the Whites that were enslaved and the Blacks was, the Blacks were enslave by Black rulers and sold to Muslim slave traders, whether by culling the tribe or capturing a rival tribe. The Muslim slave trader, like the Barbary Pirates that Jefferson went to war with, directly enslaved most of the white slaves, the decedents of are still in places like Iraq, Syria, and other parts of the middle east.

    We do try to get past this history, but it is difficult, it never rest long before some asshole comes along and whines about half the story. Just yesterday, I wondered, how many people in this forum actually has hired a black person, or promoted one to a management position? I have done both, but don't read me wrong, I did not do it out of empathy or guilt. I did these acts out of pure self interest, I thought I was making the move that would help me the most at the time. How many here have walked that walk? If you did it to help your image with Diversity goals, you might be a fool.
     
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  4. Denny Crane

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    Of course there were conflicts all along. Many of the 8 people were slaughtered variety.

    Something like this.

    http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/outlines/history-1994/early-america/colonial-indian-relations.php

    Indians were badly treated. A holocaust in the mid-1800s in non Spanish territories. They still weren't slaves, and still were treated as sovereign nations. Hence TREATIES, broken or not.

    Your story is missing the almost 400 years of history before Jackson.
     
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    The way things are, Irishmen are revolting in towns like Ferguson and Baltimore because of jaywalking citations!

    And how about that Rodney O'King trial?

    Or those letters from a Birmingham jail by Martin Luther O'King.

    Three different decades. All is well because slavery ended in 1865, though.

    Yeah, we've made some progress, but there's a long way to go. If everything were groovy, the people wouldn't be rioting in the streets.
     
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    Debating the past isn't exactly the most important thing is it? To me the question going forward is what does a world with billions of people do now?

    I'd say we all have American privilege.

    When will it all come crashing down?
     
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    Damn good question! It doesn't have to, unless we piss away the advantage on non productive strife.
     
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    Opps, it’s been a while since I watched the documentary.

    There must be another documentary with the early years. I’ll see if I can find it. It shows a lot of the conflicts between the east coast tribes and early settlers. Sorry, I thought it was included in this video. My memory isn't what it used to be.
     
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    Bumping this so folks can actually have accurate historical ref in regards to racism
     
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    Does your belly obscure your dick from view? Or were you always myopic.
     
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    Sigh!

    And how does posting that again, make anything improve?
     
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    interesting point in the doc was that the comanche tribe did have white slaves
     
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    Here's a list of massacres going back to 1539. Many decades apart, many deaths number in the tens or hundreds. Among the millions of Indians and settlers, there was relative peace for the most part.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre
     
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    from what was being said, I didn't think folks today had read it...sorry if it gets in your way but I think it's important to the conversation
     
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    Nah, I'm just fine with people hose skin isn't white.
     
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    what's misleading about this is that westerners early on discovered the best way to conquer them was to destroy their food source rather than kill them directly
     
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    You're kidding.

    The best way to conquer them was to trade $24 worth of beds for Manhattan.
     
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    That would make you a racist sir
     
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    Or colorblind.
     
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