<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 28 2006, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>NFL1. Peyton Manning2. Tom Brady3. LaDainian Tomlinson4. Walter Jones5. Carson Palmer6. Steve Smith7. Tommie Harris8. Larry Johnson9. Chad Johnson10. Brian Urlacher/Shawne Merriman</div>I didn't expect to see Walter Jones on the list, but I agree with the pick now, because Shaun Alexander wouldn't have his one season touchdown record if it wasn't for him. He's the best at his position. It's impossible to rank them. I don't know how people that work for NFL video games rank their players.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 28 2006, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't expect to see Walter Jones on the list, but I agree with the pick now, because Shaun Alexander wouldn't have his one season touchdown record if it wasn't for him. He's the best at his position. It's impossible to rank them. I don't know how people that work for NFL video games rank their players.</div> Scouts and experts help with rating players in sports games...it's probably not too difficult, they just go one point at a time and they get a final rating...it's not like they are deciding if Edgerrin James should be a 85 or a 88, it's all calculated.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Dec 28 2006, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Defensive linemen get sh*t for credit. People like Dwight Freeney, Richard Seymour, etc., they get doubled on a play by play basis, so they never get the sacks (which is why you see guys like Robert Mathis and Jarvis Green's sack numbers go so high up). Guys like them are so underrated but yet they never can come up in these talks because they don't put up the numbers.</div>offensive linemen get less credityou never hear about what a great block the great RBs get and the RBs get all the creditat least defensive linemen have a chance to get a stato line only chance of getting a stat is by knocking a 300+ pounder on his ass (pancake)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Dec 28 2006, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>offensive linemen get less credityou never hear about what a great block the great RBs get and the RBs get all the creditat least defensive linemen have a chance to get a stato line only chance of getting a stat is by knocking a 300+ pounder on his ass (pancake)</div>I was thinking the same thing. The two most under appreciated spots on the field is the Offensive Line and the Fullback position. No one ever gives those two positions the credit they deserve. Strong had alot to do with Alexander last year and Tomlinson should take Neal out to dinner a few times a year for what Lorenzo does for him. I think the main problem with offensive line however, is that it's hard to watch from TV and see who is doing what on the offensive line. They are so close together on TV, and you don't know who is blocking who on TV lots of the time. Meanwhile like was said earlier, the runningback gets to hold the ball on his own and move. The wide receivers get to catch the ball and make plays, the Quarterback gets to throw the ball and if your a scrambler run sometimes. They all get seen for what they do. The defensive line can get sacks from time to time which gets them noticed. The linebackers get sacks and interceptions. Cornerback and Safeties get the best chance for Interceptions, as well as safeties often times can get seen for the biggest hits on the field. All of the other positions on the field get seen alot more throughout the game, than the offensive line does, and you can judge how people do at the other positions much bette than you can judge the offensive line.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Dec 29 2006, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was thinking the same thing. The two most under appreciated spots on the field is the Offensive Line and the Fullback position. No one ever gives those two positions the credit they deserve. Strong had alot to do with Alexander last year and Tomlinson should take Neal out to dinner a few times a year for what Lorenzo does for him. I think the main problem with offensive line however, is that it's hard to watch from TV and see who is doing what on the offensive line. They are so close together on TV, and you don't know who is blocking who on TV lots of the time. Meanwhile like was said earlier, the runningback gets to hold the ball on his own and move. The wide receivers get to catch the ball and make plays, the Quarterback gets to throw the ball and if your a scrambler run sometimes. They all get seen for what they do. The defensive line can get sacks from time to time which gets them noticed. The linebackers get sacks and interceptions. Cornerback and Safeties get the best chance for Interceptions, as well as safeties often times can get seen for the biggest hits on the field. All of the other positions on the field get seen alot more throughout the game, than the offensive line does, and you can judge how people do at the other positions much bette than you can judge the offensive line.</div>If key important blocks were a stat, then they would be recognized more. But that will never be a stat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 28 2006, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Kobe Bryant2. LaDanian Tomlinson3. LeBron James4. Peyton Manning5. Albert Pujols6. Derek Jeter7. Dwyane Wade8. Johan Santana9. Larry Johnson10. Kevin GarnettHonorable Mentions:Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Steve Smith, Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Steve Nash, Vladimir Guerrero, Roy Halladay, Alfonso SorianoThis is one of the hardest lists I've ever created.</div>I would move Pujols to 3, peyton at 4, then lebron at 5
My top 5 in all sports... 1. Peyton Manning 2. Albert Pujols 3. Tom Brady 4. Kobe Bryant 5. Tim Duncan
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Dec 28 2006, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have always thought the Colts receivers were overrated, especially Marvin Harrison. I don't think he is a top 5 receiver, and I definately don't think he is a top 5 player in the NFL.</div>Well, we already know you're not very bright.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Dec 30 2006, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, we already know you're not very bright.</div>Yeah, and you have made such a great case for why I'm not bright.
Harrison is a very very good reciever, I may have overrated him a bit at 4 or 5 or w/e I put him at, but Wayne IMO is overrated. He benefits from Marvin being doubled and Peyton as his QB. Valo is right though in the sense that his recievers get overrated.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 29 2006, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If key important blocks were a stat, then they would be recognized more. But that will never be a stat.</div>They have those pancake blocks or whatever but no one knows that stuff. I think the offensive line is the most important part of any team because no part of the defense can be successful without them, except for screen passes... It's hard to not underrate them because you watch the quarterback and the other players but not the o-line. Lately though I have found myself watch that part of the team a lot more than before. Walter Jones is an amazing tackle.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Dec 30 2006, 07:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Harrison is a very very good reciever, I may have overrated him a bit at 4 or 5 or w/e I put him at, but Wayne IMO is overrated. He benefits from Marvin being doubled and Peyton as his QB. Valo is right though in the sense that his recievers get overrated.</div>So clearly chad johnson is totally overrated too according to you and valo's logic.Also, in Harrison's rookie and sophmore years, he did just as well as his first year with peyton, and still had 15 touchdowns in those 2 seasons w/o Peyton. Once he learns his QB(and he's good at that, he's a very smart player), he's incredible.
Um no, not at all. I overrated him as 4-5 overall in the NFL, but in terms of strictly wide recievers he's 1, 2 or 3 at worst.
Who? Chad Johnson? Well according to your logic of 'it's the quarterback that makes the WR', then that means CJ is overrated, because Carson Palmer is considered a top 3 quarterback by many people.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Dec 31 2006, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who? Chad Johnson? Well according to your logic of 'it's the quarterback that makes the WR', then that means CJ is overrated, because Carson Palmer is considered a top 3 quarterback by many people.</div>Carson Palmer is too inconsistent to even be said in the same breathe as the top 3 quarteracks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Dec 30 2006, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So clearly chad johnson is totally overrated too according to you and valo's logic.Also, in Harrison's rookie and sophmore years, he did just as well as his first year with peyton, and still had 15 touchdowns in those 2 seasons w/o Peyton. Once he learns his QB(and he's good at that, he's a very smart player), he's incredible.</div>You read about as well as you think S2S, which is not very well. If you go back and read what I typed in, I never used the Peyton Manning makes him better excuse because I hate that as an excuse.I said, he gets knocked off of his route WAY to easily compared to the other top receivers in the league. I think Steve Smith, Torry Holt, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, and Terrell Owens are ALL better receivers than Marvin Harrison, because they don't get knocked off their routes as easily as Harrison does. If they do get knocked off their route, they are all better at finding open space in the field than Harrison and the rest of the Colts receivers are.
