Gun Control, Mental healthcare, big brother... thread

Great a SCOTUS ruling. So that means abortions and Obamacare for everyone right?

That ruling does not talk about the term milita and its seems to complicate the matter more than define anything other than the right to keep and bear arms in your house to protect yourself, which is reasonable. Its the who, what, how many, how they get it, destruction capability that are in question. This ruling does not legalize nukes or allow mentally ill people access to weapons so it already includes some common sense and reasonable thinking.

 

That case affirms the applicability of second amendment rights to state and local governments and is cast in the light of weapons necessary for self protection. It doesn't reverse the finding in US vs Miller that the government has the right to limit access to weapons that exceed militia or self defense needs. No reasonable person argues that individuals shouldn't have access to tanks, RPGs, fully-automatic weapons, and so on. It seems to me that limitations on the number of rounds a weapon can shoot without reloading could be reasonably enforced. I've got nothing against a constitutional amendment, but in today's political world I think we all know that's not going to happen.

 

You didn't address the main point of my post that the Miller case gives government authority to limit access to some types of weapons and that there's room for discussion of new regulations under that case. Secondly, we have multiple flavors of gun registration and background check laws around the country so, clearly, there is disagreement among various politicians and attorneys as to how much regulation constitutes "infringement". A 5-4 ruling in the 2009 case doesn't mean that a different ruling might not result on a new case on slightly different points.

 

The 2nd Amendment does NOT say "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." It says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The words are the words. It's a qualified right, not an unfettered one.

 

Well if an amendment can not be passed, it is likely without compelling merit.

 

Do you see a way to infringe upon the right without violating "shall not"?

 

"The father of the gunman who killed nine people at a community college here called on the nation to change its gun laws on Saturday, saying the massacre “would not have happened” if his son had not been able to buy so many handguns and rifles."

What an ass! This dude turned this screwed up kid loose on the world without filling his role as a father. Him saying the problem is he should not have access to guns is criminal.
He belongs in jail just as if he had committed the atrocities himself.

Every wacko kid that has committed these mass shootings has been without father that did his job. Most were absent.

Back ground check are just plain inadequate. Profiling need to be employed. You need to earn the rights to become a full fledged citizen including the right to bear arms.

Prior to the back ground check, you need to prove you are competent and qualified to bear arms.
Your father can pass this right on to you by signing a certificate that you are ready and responsible if he has also previously gained the right. Father will be held responsible and liable for a two year trial period after certifying a son.

Stepfather can replace father. Qualified Mothers can replace Father if is not available, not if the father disapproves.

I suppose police department could fill the father roll for those that have neither father nor stepfather.
But I don't think they will become liable for screw ups

Yes this is and infringment of the 2nd amendment and would require amending the Constitution again.






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There is no good way of fixing this problem. This conversation will go on forever with no solutions.

People on the gun control side need to know "Gun-Free" zones are one of the worst ideas in the history of mankind. At that point people become targets for deranged individuals with no regard for human life. Also, to that point if you make it nearly impossible to legally obtain a gun, you're putting everyone at risk for home invasion because mentally deranged individuals and criminals give no fucks about the law and will obtain a gun somehow (look at Chicago).

"Gun Nuts" also need to stop acting like these mass killings along with everyday gang/workplace/domestic/etc gun violence aren't becoming a major problem in America. It need to be addressed in some way.

But like I said, there are no solutions to this problem, this type of event will happen again no matter what the laws are.

 

Or until we, as a nation, start to address the growing mental health epidemic in constructive ways.

 

The problem in that is how do we address it? We can sure spot the defects in some people if they're examined at a young age, but what do we do? Medicate them to hell? IMO that's just not humane (basically become zombies) and is still dangerous. I don't wanna make a joke by this but it feels like what we'd be doing is the 2nd half of the movie Strangeland.

 

I have no good answer. And yes, I think we can possibly identify some problems at a young age. Maybe some form of aggressive therapy?? More research into medications that won't turn patients into zombies? The problem right now is there is very, very little in place for those, young or old, with mental issues. What resources that exist seem to be drying up, as other "priorities" take precedence. No one wants to deal with it unless it intimately affects them and no one wants to see their tax dollars go to "crazy" people. Marazul wants to dump it back on the parents (if they even exist). But the ugly truth is, individuals with mental issues best hope is to have a family that can afford to go the private route. And even that is a crap shoot.