I thought these two SFs were very similar with their styles of play. Both players fill up the stat sheet, and both of them are good defensive players (Prince gets the edge here, long arms). Here are the statistics: Caron Butler 20.2 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 3.6 apgTayshaun Prince 15.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.7 apgJudging by the stats (which I hate doing), Butler has the advantage over Prince in all three categories: points, rebounds, and assists. However, Prince is by far the superior 3-pt shooter and has better footwork than Butler on defense, making him a better lockdown defensive player. Prince has done this against many superstars such as Wade, Kobe, VC, etc. All those players are quick and are able to take it to the basket, and Butler would have fouled one of them because he's slower on his feet defensively. I would take Butler (no homer), what about you guys? It's very close.
Butler also plays a few more minutes than Prince a night, and takes more shots that Prince a night. That closens the gap in points by a few. Also, Butler is a higher option than Prince. Butler is 2nd behind Arenas, Prince is 4th behind Rip, Sheed, Smooth. That could lead to more assists. Caron beats Prince on the boards though. Both are important players on their teams, and have similar stats. Butler is more consistant on O, Prince is better on D.I'd say it's a tie.
I'd take Prince. His long arms and defensive skill makes him much more valuable paired with his offensive numbers. Plus the championships he's been a part of helps a little too. Theres just something about him, I hate him so much, but he's a very very underrated play.
Tayshaun Prince over Caron Butler. Tayshaun's team has more options than the Wizards, so that deflates his stats a little. But Tayshaun's defense is All-NBA quality, and he is more versitale than Caron. I think you made the wrong pick in the sim. But, you will score a ton with Gordon and Butler as your swingmen.
Caron Butler> Tayshaun Prince. Caron is more explosive, they are equal defensively, Caron is the better scorer and can beat you inside and out. I'd take Butler but that is my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Dec 29 2006, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Caron Butler> Tayshaun Prince. Caron is more explosive, they are equal defensively, Caron is the better scorer and can beat you inside and out. I'd take Butler but that is my opinion.</div>Equal defensively? I don't think so. Tayshaun is quite a bit better on the defensive end. He has a godly long armspan, and he is much quicker. He's always guarding the Lebron/Kobe/Melo/Redd/star swingman of the team their playing, and generally, he does a good job stopping them. They have equal ball handling ability, and I honestly think that Tayshaun is a better scorer. It's not a very hard decision for me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 29 2006, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Equal defensively? I don't think so. Tayshaun is quite a bit better on the defensive end. He has a godly long armspan, and he is much quicker. He's always guarding the Lebron/Kobe/Melo/Redd/star swingman of the team their playing, and generally, he does a good job stopping them. They have equal ball handling ability, and I honestly think that Tayshaun is a better scorer. It's not a very hard decision for me.</div>Well, you are the Piston fan and obviously that helps your decision. Caron Butler is definetly the better scorer and is usually always guarding the LeBrons, the Kobes etc. They are both athletic defensively but I would still take Butler. Just look at the numbers, they don't lie.
You're looking at stats too much. Numbers don't lie, but they don't tell the full truth. The Pistons have more options on offense than the Wizards. Prince is the fourth option on Detroit, when Butler is the second/third, depending on whether Jamison is ahead of Butler. Butler gets more shots per game, and that always helps scoring.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Dec 29 2006, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, you are the Piston fan and obviously that helps your decision. Caron Butler is definetly the better scorer and is usually always guarding the LeBrons, the Kobes etc. They are both athletic defensively but I would still take Butler. Just look at the numbers, they don't lie.</div> Well I'm a Bucks fan and I back up SunnyD. Caron Butler plays in a different offense with different coaching...I don't give a blow if his scoring numbers are higher. We all know Prince can score a lot of points but he sacrafices numbers in that offense. Tayshaun Prince is just a better player and a better defender. Is Caron Butler a better than average defender? Yes, but Prince is better (even Zards admitted it). The big thing for me with Butler is, he's on his 3rd team already in only his 5th season. Say what you want, to me that signals some problems internaly. I think Butler is a good player and you have to be to be putting up his numbers...but I think even the Wizards would deal Caron straight up for Tayshaun, no doubt in my mind.
Well, I still stand by my statement. Caron Butler is a great player and I loved him as a Laker. Maybe I am a bit biased?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 30 2006, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Equal defensively? I don't think so. Tayshaun is quite a bit better on the defensive end. He has a godly long armspan, and he is much quicker. He's always guarding the Lebron/Kobe/Melo/Redd/star swingman of the team their playing, and generally, he does a good job stopping them. They have equal ball handling ability, and I honestly think that Tayshaun is a better scorer. It's not a very hard decision for me.</div>I agree. Tayshaun is also a great shotblocker and just his presence can affect your shot. I say it's close but it'd be Tayshaun for me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Equal defensively? I don't think so. Tayshaun is quite a bit better on the defensive end. He has a godly long armspan, and he is much quicker. He's always guarding the Lebron/Kobe/Melo/Redd/star swingman of the team their playing, and generally, he does a good job stopping them. They have equal ball handling ability, and I honestly think that Tayshaun is a better scorer. It's not a very hard decision for me.</div>I agree. Tayshaun is better defensively and he could score a lot more except that he sacrifices numbers in detroit's offense, like BCB said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Dec 29 2006, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I still stand by my statement. Caron Butler is a great player and I loved him as a Laker. Maybe I am a bit biased?</div>Yeah that's it. It happens to almost everyone.Teeps, it's nice to see you posting around here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Teeps, it's nice to see you posting around here.</div>Thanks Josh
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 29 2006, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well I'm a Bucks fan and I back up SunnyD. Caron Butler plays in a different offense with different coaching...I don't give a blow if his scoring numbers are higher. We all know Prince can score a lot of points but he sacrafices numbers in that offense. Tayshaun Prince is just a better player and a better defender. Is Caron Butler a better than average defender? Yes, but Prince is better (even Zards admitted it). The big thing for me with Butler is, he's on his 3rd team already in only his 5th season. Say what you want, to me that signals some problems internaly. I think Butler is a good player and you have to be to be putting up his numbers...but I think even the Wizards would deal Caron straight up for Tayshaun, no doubt in my mind.</div> I say Caron, but BCB, you think that Caron has internal problems? He was traded for shaq, teams were doing anything for shaq back then. Then he was traded for Kwame, Lakers needed a big man and some inside presence, they did not need Caron so they gave him up. That doesn't have anything to do with internal problems. Wizards wouldn't trade Caron for Tayshaun straight up, not because Tayshaun is better but because there is not enough of a difference to try to work tayshaun into the offense and chemistry. Tayshaun is the better defender but ther is no doubt in my mind that without Caron, Wiz would be 5 games below .500, Caron means so much to the Wizards team (of course we have a big three than role players). However this is a very hard comparison and I think its pretty even, I don't like to hear people bash Caron about things that dont make sense like BCB is.
Right now I take tayshaun but I think caron will be an allstar within the next couple years. This kid is a bonifide stud. definitely the better offensive player BUT defense is just awesome from tayshaun, caron's d isnt BAD but its not at tayshaun's level. Another thing is that tayshaun fits into any system because he IS the definition of a role player who can and WILL do anything that is needed which you gotta love.
Butler signed a 6-yr extension, he'll stay in Washington for a while, most likely. Also, Caron Butler has just as good as a jumpshot as Tayshaun Prince. Butler has improved in his shooting so much since he first arrived in Washington.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Delonte4Prez @ Dec 30 2006, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Right now I take tayshaun but I think caron will be an allstar within the next couple years. This kid is a bonifide stud. definitely the better offensive player BUT defense is just awesome from tayshaun, caron's d isnt BAD but its not at tayshaun's level. Another thing is that tayshaun fits into any system because he IS the definition of a role player who can and WILL do anything that is needed which you gotta love.</div> Caron's nickname is Tough Juice in DC, he WILL do anything that is needed to win as well, wether it be reboudning or assisting or even scoring.
id take prince because even though the stats show caron is better. prince simply plays around people who are used to scoring more than him which doesn't make him a worser player. simply look at last year, there were 4 all stars on the team
Caron Butler over Tayshaun Prince. Caron has the edge on Tayshuan in scoring, rebounding, speed/fastbreak ability. Tayshaun has the advantage on blocks, thats it.
