Gun Control, Mental healthcare, big brother... thread

From that link:

Experts say there’s no evidence that Washington ever said that -- and there are indications that Washington, if anything, favored the arming of trained militias rather than wide swaths of the population. We rate the claim False.

That meme gets tossed around by Tea Party nutjobs a lot. No surprise that it's inaccurate.

 

That's the problem. There are so many memes attributed to our founding fathers, it's hard to figure out which ones are real. I've seen a lot attributed about religion as well.

 

Yeah man... Should have fact checked before posting it. My bad

 

Mags, I worked with what has to be your identical twin brother for almost 30 years and I loved him like he was my own brother, right wing whacko beliefs be damned. I miss daily interaction with him, looney as he is. And like you, he was rarely an asshole about it. You guys just state your version of "the facts" and then gird your loins to take on all comers. Its rarely about being "right, it's more about getting your version of the "truth" out there. As with my friend, politics is your hobby. Thank you for filling a hole in my life (seriously). You guys at least make me do my homework, even if it's just to rebut your particular brand of crazy bullshit....

 

Depends... who is doing the spanking?

 

No! I never fire the M1 again after boot camp. As I recall, I fired 17 round with it. one single and then a 8 round clip at 100 yards, then the Sargent give me another clip and told me to go for
the 1000 yard target. It took a few moments for the pit crew to get down there. I managed to get 3 in the black I think and 4 more on the target. But that was tough shot for the rather course
peep sight on the M1.

Later I used a .270 Winchester in the field.

I didn't notice the M1 had a bad recoil, but then I was accustom to my 45-70 and it's 405 grain bullet. Now that sucker would punish you.

 

She doesn't strike me as the sort that would have much to do with a pirate that doesn't know the difference between a rifle and a gun.

 

I think her gun is concealed.

 

As long as you are doing it big boi

 

Interesting infographic in the Oregonian

http://www.oregonlive.com/data/2015/10/gun_deaths_other_causes.html#incart_big-photo

 

Well, not just that, but the suicide numbers are staggering and extremely disheartening. If you count the gun and non-gun suicides, plus the overdoses, that's 76,812 in 2013 alone. That's horrible. People keep harping on mass shootings, but mass shootings are a tiny blip on the radar compared to some of those other issues.

 

The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities. ~ See Related Article



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The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army.

The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.

The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.

The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion).

These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.

Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, "the Organized Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare outside the limits of the United States."

The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson in ordering the Organized Militia (the National Guard) to fight a war in Europe was so blatantly unconstitutional that he felt Wilson ought to have been impeached.

During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada.

The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.

The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states.

Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.

Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10, 1917, pages 6836-6840 which states:

"The militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States." In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, "that the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of the States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it."

"This limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose.

Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power."

The Honorable William Gordon

Congressional Record, House, Page 640 - 1917

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Like to add that the forum has voted and taken many polls coming to the decision that mags must build a wall around this thread and we expect him to pay for the whole thing

 

This thread is already inescapable. Who needs a wall.......??

 

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