this...the current Yankees are not a bad team, they're just not a very good one...there's no clear cut direction and no compass, and no one that seems to know how to read a compass if there was one. _______________________ There's a very clear direction for those who can see beyond personal prejudices towards Cashman and ownership. 1) Get out from under remaining big contracts to older players, couple of which VERY FEW FOUND FAULT WITH at the original time and which also helped the Yanks WIN their last WS. Talk about Monday morn QBs....lmao......hee haw.... 2) Reduce payroll- and so far CASHMAN and the Yanks have stood on course by refusing to sign any big ticket free agent pitchers in the past off season, just as they said....if any were paying attention. 3) getting younger and relying more on the farm system and young products to replace "regulars" when the situation arrises - just as they did this past season if anyone cared to notice. Refsnyder, Bird, Severino, Heathcott and Williams to name a few and a couple more who could be very close and will be given every opportunity to step in and make the big club.....and they will be given the opportunity. Yanks (and Cashman) have done a nice job juggling big veteran contracts while also bringing along young players. Won 87 games and lost the WC card game to a team which won 86 games...heavens to Betsy....what a disaster...lmao.....20 years hard time for Cashman and ownership....lol By the way....Jon Lester, game one NLCS - 4 ER, 6.2 IP....not too good....or shall we say kinda CC-like? And how much is Lester getting paid?
The Cubs won 97 games and are in the NLCS. To run down any of their players at this point in time is completely moronic. Equally moronic is to keep mentioning Cashman's juggling of big contracts when he was the friggin one who handed those contracts out. Like the analogy I used the first time you said it. It's like dropping dinner all over the floor and then praising yourself for cleaning it up. Sorry if it's harsh but I will point out and respond to completely idiotic comments. I don't even know what the hell you're talking about in regards to not giving the Cubs a pass because it makes no sense whatsoever at all. The team wasn't even supposed to do what they did this year, they beat the Cardinals and again are in the NLCS against the Mets. Why you're discussing what they need to do moving forward at this point is senseless and just stupid.
I mentioned "juggling big veteran contracts" in reply to a cheesy post which took a cheap shot (IMO) at the Yanks and management....and yes Cashman DID hand out those contracts a couple of which also helped the Yanks win their last WS....and I believe Cashman is a big boy who is well aware of the current situation and is doing a good job along with the minor league staff in bringing along young players who have already shown good promise and he's quite willing and able to bite the bullet and be done with those remaining contracts and proceed with infusing the team with young players via the farm and/or trades....see Gregorious, while reducing payroll. I've already said the Cubs' young players have been terrific - just pointed out that they'll probably go as far as their pitching takes them (like most teams)....and with Lester not getting any younger and coming up small tonight, I just dont see the Cubbies going farther than the NLCS and NOTHING is guaranteed in the future..... That's all I was saying in all the rah rah stuff about the Cubs being a fairly sure thing to be a perennial post season contender for "years to come".
No, you're running down the Cubs because somebody mentioned the good job Theo has done. You take this somehow as a shot at Cashman and god forbid the possibility exists that Theo is a better GM. I'm sorry but it's very transparent. Plus, unless you're related to Cashman or somebody in Yankee management you're constant need to have to run to their defense is quite mind boggling.
Theo? Nah, has nothing to do with it. In my post (21) I responded to the following, and included it before I continued....this was what I was responding to: this...the current Yankees are not a bad team, they're just not a very good one...there's no clear cut direction and no compass, and no one that seems to know how to read a compass if there was one. Imo, there is a "direction", and Cashman is reading the compass. It says- no more big long term contracts to players especially pitchers who will be in their later 30s during the contract and in the future go mostly with young players from the system and possibly via trades without surrendering any highly ranked prospects. That's all....just my opinion in the face of an inaccurate discription (post) imo,of Yankee management ...and of course the poster, like me, has a right to opinion....but my post (21) was a reply to a direct comment to one of my posts. It's over....no big thing.....someone said the Yankees were without direction and unable to find their way, I disagreed. Cubs do indeed have a bunch of very talented young players.
Okay, fair enough - this is (imo) an interesting discussion. Allow me to expound and reply. Your words are in bold italic letters as replys to me, and I'll follow them up with my answers. Here goes: reduce payroll?...and just look at the fine mess it has left them. And fyi, the Yanx payroll actually went up in 2015. Could it be the biggest single reason why the Yanks' payroll actually went up in 2015 was due to Arod's salary going back on the payroll book as was reported by Forbes Business- see following article from Forbes. The 162-game ban means that A-Rod will be sidelined for the entire 2014 season and forego the vast majority of his $25 million salary. The New York Yankees will save millions in salary and luxury tax payments from the suspension, but they still must cut the third baseman a $3 million check today based on the terms of the 10-year, $275 million contract.. Cashman did not make any ridiculous free agent signing unless you want to call the Headley deal "ridiculous", fair enough....but it was washed with the replacing of Jeter and Cervelli for Miller (instead of Drob), Murphy and Gregorious -Yanks added two young inexpensive contributors. Pineda was due a 1.6 mil (approx) raise....or should he NOT be making 2.1 mil coming into 2015? Drew gone in 2016, Refsnyder in, and Yanks could save another 4-5 mil if they go with Heathcott or Williams as the 4th outfielder instead of bringing Young back.....the plan is slowly but surely moving forward. Lol ___________________________ 3) getting younger and relying more on the farm system and young products to replace "regulars" when the situation arrises - just as they did this past season if anyone cared to notice. Refsnyder, Bird, Severino, Heathcott and Williams to name a few and a couple more who could be very close and will be given every opportunity to step in and make the big club.....and they will be given the opportunity. ...lol...again, those players are nowhere near the level of the Cubs' youngsters. I never said the Yankee youngsters were on the same level as the Cubs' youngsters. Show me where I said it. However, Severino just might be better than any current Cubs' homegrown "youngster" SP....LOL Lol. _________________________ Yanks (and Cashman) have done a nice job juggling big veteran contracts while also bringing along young players. Won 87 games and lost the WC card game to a team which won 86 games...heavens to Betsy....what a disaster...lmao.....20 years hard time for Cashman and ownership....lol ..."and lost"...you could have stopped right there. And who gice a shit how many games the Yanx won this year?...they were a failure, period. But go ahead and paint a rosy picture anyway. Yanks finished with the fourth best record in the league good enough for them to have a chance at winning one game to play in the LDS......"rosey picture" ?.....nope, but certainly not nearly as bad as all of your bluster would have us believe........and last time I checked, only ONE team can win the WS which means the Yanks and 28 other teams were 2015 "failures"... Lol. _________________________ By the way....Jon Lester, game one NLCS - 4 ER, 6.2 IP....not too good....or shall we say kinda CC-like? And how much is Lester getting paid? ..what the hell does Lester have to do with this?...but since you brought it up, I seem to remember someone saying that CC giving up 4 runs over 6-7 innings should be acceptable. One big difference - Lester was signed for THIS SEASON to be an ace-type top of the rotation SP and don't tell me the Cubs expected Arrieta to have this kind of season while CC has clearly been struggling since 2013 and was coming off 2014 knee surgery. Expectations? I very much doubt if "4 ER in 6.2 IP" is what the Cubs had in mind. Regarding CC, I had previously asked, tongue in cheek (long while back) if it would be acceptable if we were guaranteed 4 ER in 7 IP in EVERY START for CC. You can at least get that part correct, can't you? Lol Cashman's plan will continue....I believe Yankee ownership is on board. The plan is - get out from under these remaining big contracts, do not hand out anymore long term contracts which will pay players into their later 30s, especially pitchers.....continue to reduce payroll AND continue to go with young farmhands and "younger" less expensive players. I could be wrong, but I believe it will be proven out in the coming couple/ few years. We shall see, one way or another. This was fun.
...lol...just gotta love how the "plan" seemed to change as the year went on...yeah, the "plan" to get younger evidently was to begin the season with great Cashman acquisitions like Capuano, Drew, Ryan, Garrett Jones, etc., and then replace them as their suckage factor showed them to be what they were, which is garbage. ...and again, if part of the "plan" was to reduce payroll, the over paying and over extending of Headley, and the signing of Drew and Capuano and others, completely contradicts that theory...so if reducing payroll was the goal, the plan failed, period...because the payroll in fact, went up. ...and now you're claiming that your contention that CC allowing 4 runs in 6-7 innings being a acceptable, was only "tongue in cheek"?... that's laughable. ...n/m, I've already had enough of your mindless revisionist history...you just don't get it, and you just never learn...back to the "ignore" list for you.
^^^Rick, don't forget the NTCs too. ...and when the comment was made to us that we should be happy if CC gives up runs in 6 innings, did you in any way take that as "tongue in cheek"?
Of course not & yeah there were also those wonderful NTC that Cashman handed out. But hell he's a great GM.
^^^that's how I read it too...a person makes a statement that is deemed as a serious one by others, and never once claims it was simply a joke....and then down the road that same person suddenly claims "Oh, I was only kidding". ...yeah, that's the ticket.
No, here's "the ticket".......YOU were the one who misquoted me by saying- "..what the hell does Lester have to do with this?...but since you brought it up, I seem to remember someone saying that CC giving up 4 runs over 6-7 innings should be acceptable." I said SEVEN (7) INNINGS in my original hypothetical question....is "HYPOTHETICAL" an accurate adjective? I thought so. Call it whatever you like...but don't forget to include YOU got my wording wrong. And to put it into perspective, which is why I raised the question-- having a SP who could "guarantee" 7 IP and 4 ER in every start would- IMO, be an asset to a team as a back end of the rotation SP because he would would give you innings AND you would be ensured the vast majority of the time of having to cover just two innings in EVERY ONE of his starts....which over the long season would benefit the team - IMO......unless you can realistically expect better from most teams....and of course most A.L. teams should be expected to get at least 4 runs in quite a few games. Think it over,....ask for help if you'd like. But of course, when I DID raise the question, you were quick to say the Yanks didn't sign CC to be a back end of the rotation SP.....lmao....lmao....as if YOU and the Yanks actually expected CC to be a top end of the rotation SP coming off knee surgery and having a disappointing 2013 season which was his LAST full season. Lmao! Most who visit this board are well aware of your cheesy cheap shot semantic gymnastics. Fortunately, there are other grownups in the room who don't like to sit on your lap. Lol
Just for a bit of perspective, the Cubs looking to possibly get to and win their first WS in a long time have sent their top two SP to the mound in the NLCS and neither one has allowed less than 4 ER while pitching less than 7 IP...and of course this should not be acceptable from your top two SP......but I wasn't talking about a #1-2 SP when I mentioned 2015 CC....in my hypothetical (fair enough?) question way back during the reg season. Okay, I'm all done with this one.
