Trump: Bernie Sanders wants to tax 'you people' at 90 percent

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  1. BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94

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    Is it really that surprising? That evil captilism! Keeping the people down with its infinite growth possibilities!
     
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  2. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    That's what we did look like after the financial meltdown in 2008. And the too big to fail casino banking industry is right back at it.
     
  3. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    I somewhat agree with you on the Trump thing. But the media swung way over to Clinton after the debates, even though in my eyes (and the eyes of most of the people I've talked to) Sanders clearly won the debate. I suspect that's because Clinton is a proven "corporate" whore.....and Sanders is a wild card....and Trump is a loose cannon.
     
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    The media hasn't affected the polls though, have they? Certainly not on the republican side. Trump and Fox News are at war. Nobody else likes him either. So how is he staying up in the polls? Why can't Sanders?
     
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    Most sensible Americas are not ready for a Communist.
     
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    Yep, Scary as hell we are in this position. We do not need to be.
     
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    This is simply not true but you guys keep parroting that bullshit. It's why I don't really come in here much anymore.
     
  8. riverman

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    I should know better myself..
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    A very good question. But then, I have never, ever trusted polls. Just another con game to sway the uninformed.
     
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    You're also seriously confusing the DEBT and the DEFICIT. Our Deficit is the lowest it's been in years.
     
  11. magnifier661

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    The 90%, from what I gather, is 90% of america will be taxed. It's a redistribution of wealth, meaning those that make under a certain amount will be paid by the government until they have a taxable wage. The highest taxed is at 70% in the Eisenhower days, but even 15,000 earners are taxed at 20%.
     
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    My problem is, I look at the 25% of my income that the feds take and I don't see what I'm getting for my money. What exactly are the feds doing for me?
     
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    I don't think he's adding $18T to the budget.

    However, I think he will run out of money to spend long before he gets his agenda passed. There just isn't enough money to do all the things he wants to do.
     
  14. Denny Crane

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    http://www.wsj.com/article_email/be...ich-myth-1445379556-lMyQjAxMTA1NDI4MjEyNzIyWj

    Bernie Sanders and the Soak-the-Rich Myth
    Liberals who want more revenue for redistribution ought to favor a tax code that’s less progressive.

    Bernie Sanders has been asserting more forthrightly than any of his Democratic rivals that pretty much every domestic problem—from aging infrastructure to student debt to teenage acne—could be solved by raising taxes high enough on the super rich. Rarely do interviewers perform the public service of challenging his math, which is why the Vermont senator’s exchange Sunday with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News is noteworthy.

    Mr. Sanders said that he is open to raising the current 39.6% top marginal income-tax rate to as high as 90%. The self-proclaimed “democratic socialist” also explained how he would increase the death tax “so that [Donald] Trump and his billionaire friends and their families will end up paying more.” Mr. Stephanopoulos replied that the numbers still don’t compute. “To pay for all of your programs, you’re going to have to do more than tax the top 1%,” he said. “How far below the top 1% are you going to go with tax hikes?”

    The senator’s initial response was denial. “That’s not true that we have to go much further below [the top earners],” said Mr. Sanders, insisting that he could fund everything from tuition-free college to infrastructure repair simply by eliminating corporate tax breaks and implementing a financial transactions levy. When pressed, however, the senator conceded that his spending proposals require much more revenue than the Learjet set could produce. “Guaranteeing paid family and medical leave,” he allowed, would “require a small increase in the payroll tax,” and he then agreed with Mr. Stephanopoulos that the tax “would hit everybody.”

    Not to pick on Mr. Sanders, whose campaign rationale is premised on the notion that President Obama has been too fiscally conservative for the country’s good. Hillary Clinton isn’t convinced that a majority of voters, including within her party, share the senator’s perspective, so she’s trying to stay to his right. But Democratic primary voters aren’t making it easy for Mrs. Clinton, and she played to the bleachers in last week’s Las Vegas debate by making Sandersesque promises to “make the wealthy pay” for all of her domestic priorities.

    The irony is that liberals who want the federal government to secure more revenue for redistribution ought to favor a tax code that’s less progressive. Time and again, history has shown that the rich pay more when the top marginal rate is reduced. The income-tax rate on high earners fell to 24% in 1929 from 73% in 1921. Over that same period both the amount and fraction of taxes paid by the rich increased, while the amount and proportion of taxes paid by low earners went down.
     
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    There's something smelly about that paragraph. Time and time again... but the only example given is from almost 100 years ago.

    Plus, correlation does not imply causation. There were other economic factors at work in the 1920s besides the top marginal tax rate.

    barfo
     
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    By 1962, the top marginal rate had shot back up to a confiscatory 91%, which may have prompted a smile from a young Bernie Sanders but not from President Kennedy, who noted at the time that “it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now.” The Kennedy tax cuts, which reduced the top rate to 70%, passed after his assassination. Once again, tax receipts rose and the deficit shrank after the code was made less progressive.

    The Reagan and Bush tax cuts of the 1980s and 2000s continued this pattern. In both decades, the rich reported much more taxable income after the top rate was reduced. By contrast, an increase in the top marginal rate in 1990 under George H.W. Bush was followed by a reduction in the fraction of taxes paid by higher earners. The reason liberals find this history unpersuasive is because their soak-the-rich rhetoric is more about politics than about economics. Class warfare gets Democratic voters to the polls, which takes priority.

    During a 2008 presidential debate, moderator Charlie Gibson of ABC News quizzed Barack Obama over his proposal to raise taxes on investment income, and the candidate’s response was instructive. “Bill Clinton in 1997 signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20%,” Mr. Gibson said. “And George Bush has taken it down to 15%. And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased. The government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28%, the revenues went down. So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?”

    Mr. Obama’s answer was that raising the capital-gains tax is necessary “to make sure . . . that our tax system is fair.” Like the Democrats who hope to replace him, Mr. Obama’s abiding belief is that sticking it to the affluent is the “fair” thing to do, even if it produces no additional revenue. Of course, Mr. Obama ultimately got his desired tax hikes on the rich. He has spent his presidency promoting economic equality over growth—and doing much damage to both. If elected, today’s Democratic front-runners can be counted on to do more of the same.

    Time and time again.
     
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    The proposed payroll tax is 0.2% and intended to fund family time off. He is also proposing to remove the payroll tax cap for earners of 117k. This would raise the average $50k earners payroll taxes from $3100 to $3200. Not exactly the gotcha moment you were going for, but you are correct in that it is a tax increase.
     
  18. Denny Crane

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    Someone's drinking the Sanders kool aid.
     
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    no kool aid, I just prefer an accurate representation of him and his policies rather than your article insinuating that he is hiding something or people calling him a commie.
     
  20. Denny Crane

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    What if he told you he could give everyone a cadillac and tax everyone just $1 more to pay for it?

    (Sucker?)
     
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