Why is Meyers struggling?

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  1. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    No, this isn't Stotts fault, the problem is we have 3 backup centers on the roster. Davis and Plumlee can't play PF either. Davis looks solid guarding some backup PF's as Meyers did last year. If Stotts puts any of those three out against the leagues starting PF's we get exposed the same.
     
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    Even if I were to agree that Davis can't play PF, Davis plays PF better than Meyers, and Meyers plays C better than PF. So given the choices available to us, the best unit is Davis/Meyers.
    However, I disagree that Davis can't play PF. Though I do agree that Plumlee can't.

    C = Meyers/Plumlee
    PF = Davis/Vonleh
     
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    Blue, I agree...

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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    This is exactly what this season is for. Give players like Meyers a good run of 20+ minutes a night to see what he's got and what he can become with consistent playing time. Same goes for Vonleh. Of course he's not producing big now...he's basically a rookie. Keep throwing him out there and look for development as the season goes along.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Why can Davis play PF but Plumlee can't?
     
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    Eh. I guess I don't really have a GOOD reason. I'm mainly basing that statement on size. Plumlee is still quite mobile for his size, so maybe he could. I just think that Davis would be a better starting PF than Plumlee, and Plumlee would be a better back-up C than starting PF. Davis is much more svelte, and looks much more like a PF than a C, whereas Plumlee definitely looks like a C.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I suppose Davis "looks" more like a PF, but both Davis and Plumlee have basically the same skill set anyways. Plumlee is pretty mobile for his size. Davis may be a bit more mobile and lengthier, but I don' think it prevents one or the other from playing PF.

    Whoever plays alongside either has to be able to stretch the floor either way.
     
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    Yeah, we're in agreement here. They are very similar players, but have subtle differences that lead me to lean towards Davis as a PF and Plumlee as a C. Part of that could be that I like passing from the C spot, and Plumlee (and Meyers!) is a better passer than Davis, making him fit my vision for what a C should be better than Davis.
    I think Davis pairs better at PF with Meyers at C.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I mean, in the end it's all semantics I suppose. Meyers still plays the 4 on offense when Davis/Plumlee are in the game.
     
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    So you want to bench Plumlee who's played well or start Vonleh?

    I stand by my statement we have 3 centers. But still think outside an injury we should stick with the same starters for much more than 3 games.

    Is it terribly critical who starts anyways? These guys are all playing around 25 minutes.
     
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    The deadline to extend is today. Is it noon western?

    So no extension sounds like...
     
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    It's actually midnight EST, so basically right when the Minny game tonight ends.

    But I'd expect it to be done by business hours today if it gets done. With the lack of any rumors sound like it's not happening. Neil does run a tight lipped ship though. Would be very curious the numbers both sides are asking for.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    John Henson money sounds pretty fair at this point.
     
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    Who thinks Meyers is a center, and why? Because of his stellar rim protection skills? His ability to score inside?
     
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    I echo much of what others have said.

    Leonard is a C, just because he has an outside shot does not make him a PF.

    Leonard is actually a pretty good man defender at C. No, he isn't a shot blocker, but he does a good job 1-on-1.

    He rushes his inside shots, like he is soo worried he will get blocked so he flicks it up too quick when he could prob take another half-sec to be more deliberate. Heck, I have seen 3-4 times this season if he would have thought about it, he could have dunked it. Instead he shot too quickly (almost like a put-back) and misses.

    Also, he is too hesitant and actually makes passes too quickly at times. Several times he has made a turn-over by trying to relay a pass too quickly.

    Overall, I think its a combination of jitters, trying to figure out his role, and playing out of position. I really wish he would just play in the paint/post and take those 3s when opportunity arises. Yes, there will be a lot of growing pains while he works on his post/paint game, but that is what this season if for.

    I also agree that the line-up should be:

    PG: Lillard/CJ
    SG: Harkless/CJ/Crabbe
    SF: Aminu/Harkless
    PF: Davis/Vonleh
    C: Leonard/Plumlee
     
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    He has an athletic advantage against the average center. He proved he can fill a Matt Bonner center role. His rim protection had encouraging signs last year in short stretches. Will he be a good center? Maybe, maybe not. I have doubts but after watching every preseason and regular game it's more likely than PF IMO.
     
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    Maybe something simple like maybe Meyers is struggling because he is not as good as some thought?
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Careful now.
     

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