Politics Ben Carson: pyramids were grain storages for Joseph

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  1. Denny Crane

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    Tut is an example of the burial process. The reason why it wasn't looted was because no one really knew it was a pharaohs tomb. But as I've clearly explained, the burial process includes food, treasure and items for the afterlife. All these were on the hieroglyphs in the pyramids and in other tombs.

    I know you are trying to play devil's advocate Denny, but I know damn well you don't believe Carson. Don't act like he's got a point when there has been proof of HUGE grain silos that were on the video.
     
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    What are you babbling about?

    No loot ever found in pyramids. You argued against that using the example of Tut's tomb, which isn't a pyramid.

    Then you find quibble with me because I say Carson may have a point if he was talking about the pyramid in the video.

    However, if he thinks all the pyramids were grain silos, he's whacko. And the alien thing is just plain strange.
     
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    So you are saying there is evidence that the pharaohs buried in pyramids had no treasure?
     
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    No. The pyramids were looted by grave robbers.

    Tut's tomb was well hidden and grave robbers never found it before it was discovered by a scientist.

    Carson says Joseph built the (first) pyramid to store grain. It looks like it was built, at least in part, to store grain. If anything, it appears that grain storage was a prominent feature. It could well be that burial sites were not the initial purpose of the very first pyramid or two. It isn't unreasonable that the first was built as a temple and to store grain and was converted to a tomb.
     
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    Wow! This is how we select the leader.
     
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    So, Denny, your argument about Carson seems to be that he's really really bad at the English language. He says "no involvement" when he means "I only endorsed their product for money, I didn't control their decisions" and he means "the first pyramid" when he says "pyramids".

    Could be, but he seems fairly articulate. It might be a simpler explanation to conclude that he actually means what he says, and thus he's both crazy and a liar. But you could be right, I'm not ruling it out.

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    Jeezus Denny. In the 1998 video he is obviously speaking generally about "the pyramids". Even says "large" area needed - he is obviously not referring to small symbolic storage areas in one specific temple.
     
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    No, my argument is he is basing his belief about Joseph and the pyramids on something that archaeology verifies. But he was very broad in suggesting maybe all the pyramids were created as grain stores, which is obviously not true. However, he did say the pyramids built by Joseph, so he may actually be on solid ground here.

    The pyramids were built over many generations. Joseph could not have been alive for all those generations. So which of the pyramids are the ones that Joseph built? - the answer is not all of them, but certainly the one that did have grain stores.
     
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    Watch the video Mags posted.

    If the archaeology doesn't agree with the story, please feel free to provide the detail.

    And see my previous post. This bit:

    “My own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain,” Carson – who last week overtook Republican rival Donald Trump for the first time in a national poll – told graduates in his address.

    He was actually specific about which pyramids - the one(s) Joseph built.
     
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    Still going with a combination of ignorance and stupidity
     
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    I don't know if I could call a brain surgeon stupid. I don't think Carson can run this country, but I don't think he could be stupid while being able to perform hundreds of delicate surgeries
     
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    CBS News report on the same thing.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ben-carsons-unusual-theory-about-pyramids/

    What Carson has in mind here is the seven years of plenty in Egypt, referred to in Genesis, when "Joseph stored up grain in great abundance like the sand of the sea, until he stopped measuring it, for it was beyond measure." In the Bible, Joseph fed Egypt and the rest of the world during the seven years of drought that followed.
     
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    Surgery (and being an MD in general) has not that much to do with brainpower. In Carson's case, it is said that what made him an outstanding surgeon was exceptional hand-eye coordination.

    That said, I don't think he's stupid. He might well be autistic, though.

    Ignorant, definitely.

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    I've watched it twice. He is speaking about multiple large pyramids with hermetically sealed chambers, then mentions scientists thinking they were tombs for the pharaohs.. and then babbles something about scientists thinking aliens had something to do with it.

    He's quite obviously generalizing about popularizations - about what an average congregation member would think of when they hear "The Pyramids". He is NOT referring to small symbolic storage houses next to one specific pyramid that nobody in the congregation would have had a clue about.
     
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    He's mentally challenged in certain ways (not all ways). I guess you could define that as crazy if you want.
     
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    Okay, I can live with crazy.
     
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    In other science news:

    Kangaroo farts not as environmentally friendly as previously thought

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    Yeah, I agree about that. The source of his belief is grounded in religion, of course. But it is actually backed by archaeology.
     
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    Haphazardly trying to shoehorn a literal reading of a Biblical story where it doesn't remotely fit isn't matching it to archaeology. It's like glancing at the Grand Canyon without any consideration of geology and saying Noah's flood must have carved it (which I assume he also believes).
     

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