OT: Is Steph Curry Turning Into One of the Greats?

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    It's a little early in the season but I thought I would just throw this out there...

    Curry, year 4 in the NBA:

    22.9 pts * .451 FG% * 3.5 3PM * .453 3P% * 6.9 ast * 1.6 stl



    Dame, so far this season (his year 4 in the NBA):

    26.9 pts * .457 FG% * 3.9 3PM * .449 3P% * 7.4 ast * 1.1 stl
     
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    People keep forgetting that Curry has been in the league quite a bit longer than Lillard. This will be his 7th season, while Dame is only just entering his 4th.

    Dame has actually accomplished a lot more than Curry in his first three seasons. Curry's 4th season was when he broke out and nearly made the All-star team. The following year, his 5th season, is when he really took a huge step forward into being a star. Dame is really doing that right now, in his 4th season.
     
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    I don't think Damian will be as good as Curry is, tho I think if you put Curry on a team inexperienced and raw as this team, and he'd put up similar #'s but the team would still have a poor record.

    Put Damian on a team like Golden State (in place of Curry) and Damian would have better #s' than he has here. HOWEVER, I don't think nor am I saying that Damian would have similar #'s to Curry.

    Damian is Clyde. Curry is Jordan.
    Drexler was good, so is Damian...but Jordan was a notch above, as is Curry.
     
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    This is so fucking frustrating, too.
     
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    The biggest difference between them is that Curry is just an insanely good shooter. And by that, I'm not saying he's capable of hitting shots that Dame can't hit, I mean that his shooting percentages are absurd. He's a career 47% FG shooter. Right now he's shooting 53% from the floor, which I think will come down a bit, but he's been very close to 50% multiple times in his career.

    Dame's best year is this one, so far, shooting 45.7% from the field. In seven years, Curry has never shot below 45%. Dame has hovered around 43% for his whole career.

    Then there's three point shooting. Dame is a career 37% shooter from three. He's having his best year, so far, but his past three were all sub-40% seasons. Curry has never shot below 40%. Hell, he's never shot below 42% from three. He's just a really consistently, really accurate, really good shooter from anywhere on the floor. Dame is streaky.

    With that said, Dame is an alpha. Drexler was a beta. It's comparing apples to oranges. This is really more of an Isiah/Magic then it is Drexler/Jordan. Not comparing the styles, just the personalities. Magic had a flair about him, while Thomas was more of a cold blooded killer. I see a lot of that in Curry and Lillard.
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    (insert vague internet argument where we escalate quickly and I say you're not my boy because you don't agree with me)
     
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    Eh, I did agree with you in some respects. I don't think Lillard will ever be as consistently great at shooting. Curry might be the greatest shooter ever. Only time will tell.
     
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    totally agree with you btw, I like your Johnson/Thomas twinge.
     
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    Yes.

    People are always too scared to admit it.
     
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    Keeping it short and simple; the answer is abso-fucking-lutely!
     
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    Yep, curried goat.
     
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    I think Curry is the better shooter/player but IMO Dame is the better leader. Both are alphas but Lillard has a bit more of that warrior attitude.

    I was never a fan of Alan Iverson's game and I didn't care much for him as a leader but damn, he was a fucking warrior. Fearless, relentless, just kept coming at you. He would get beat to hell and still keep fighting. I see a lot of that same attitude in Lillard but what makes Lillard special is he's also a leader. He cares about his teammates and his teammates believe in him.

    I remember those great Drexler teams that went to the finals/WCF/finals, Terry Porter played and won against some of the greatest point guards ever in the playoffs, Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Magic Johnson and Gary Payton. All of them were easily the better point guard, better player but Porter was a warrior. We wasn't as talented but he fought and won.

    We don't need Lillard to be a better player than Curry, we need him to be the better warrior. If Olshey can put similar to equal talent around Lillard that Curry has in Golden State it will be Lillard's attitude and drive vs Curry's skill that will give Portland the advantage.
     
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    TP also came from a small school.... gotta love that chip on the shoulder that he and Dame share :grin:
     
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    Curry also came from a small school, lol.
     
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    Yeah
    The interesting thing to remember is that, despite the points per game, Terry was actually the better overall Blazers player during the years we went deep into the playoffs. I see a lot of Terry's fire in Dame.
     
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    Yeah.... except Curry is the son of a former NBA player, and was pretty well known while he was at college. Dame was a nobody until the draft rolled around.
     
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    Only time will tell where he'll rank among the all time greats but he's certainly already a HOFer (duh) and they'll probably win the title again this year and maybe next year too.

    That says, Lillard is nearly as good a shooter as Curry in his 4th season. Lillard is better at getting to the basket and is more athletic. Lillard is my favorite Blazer of all time and my favorite player in the NBA this year. I wouldn't trade him for Curry.
     
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    Porter never won a playoff series against Magic.
     
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    Oh excuse me, you're right.

    Scratch all that, Porter sucked.
     
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    No he isn't. Not even close. Dame is shooting around 45% from the field. Curry is shooting 53% from the field. That's not even remotely close.

    Dame is shooting 42% from three. Curry is shooting 47% from three. Again, not close.

    Dame is having his best year in terms of shooting percentage, but Curry is in another stratosphere so far this season.

    And if you're comparing him to Curry's 4th season, then you've got a long way to go because Curry shot 45% from the field and 45% from three for the whole year. We're only 9 games into this season.
     
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