Al Harrignton - has all the hops in the world, 6'9" and only getting 6 per game this yearYao Ming - yes, he does his best, but his best isn't good enoughStromile Swift - so much potential...so much wastePau Gasol - a 7 footer, the only rebounder on his team, and he only graps 8 per? that's ridiculousEddie Griffin - What can you say other than just plain laziness?Brad Miller - sometimes you wonder just wtf he's doing on a basketball courtMichael Doleac - not sure why he's in the NBA, but it sure isn't because of his reboundingJoe Smith - after the surgery, things (including rebounding) just went downhillTony Battie - maybe Dwight Howard takes his rebounds, but Battie still isn't very good at it...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Dec 31 2006, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think that for how tall Zadrunas is, he is a pretty damn bad rebounder. I dont know how many he gets a game, but at that height, I dont know how he doesn't average more.</div> It doesn't matter how tall you are, people make such a big deal if a tall guy doesn't get more rebounds. Zydrunas has probably the slowest feet in basketball, not to mention very slow lateral quickness. He can't run after rebounds and has slow reactions, thats why smaller guys like Reggie Evans out rebound him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 31 2006, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because big men would have to jump really high to challenge his shots, and usually when they do it would be called a foul. When they just put their hands up, Yao is much taller, and has an advantage, but rebounding wise, Yao is not very athletic, quick, and he can not jump high at all, so other big men have as good a chance as he does of getting the ball.Sure. Ralph Sampson was close to Yao's height. He was 7"4 and averaged 22 and 10 in 1985 playing alongside "The Dream". I don't know what that has to do with anything though.</div>Im sorry, that really doesn't make much sense. Yao isnt very athletic when he shoots the ball, and the foul thing is irrelevant. It should be the same for scoring and rebounding with Yao. His height is how he gets alot of points, and his height is the reason he should get alot of rebounds. What he is getting right now isnt that bad, but if you are at least 3 inches taller than everybody on the floor, you would imagine that they could put up better rebounding numbers. Even if you arent that athletic....I was saying that in case you were going to say there were players in the past that were his height that didnt grab that many rebounds....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Dec 31 2006, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im sorry, that really doesn't make much sense. Yao isnt very athletic when he shoots the ball, and the foul thing is irrelevant. It should be the same for scoring and rebounding with Yao. His height is how he gets alot of points, and his height is the reason he should get alot of rebounds. What he is getting right now isnt that bad, but if you are at least 3 inches taller than everybody on the floor, you would imagine that they could put up better rebounding numbers. Even if you arent that athletic....</div> Yao Ming and Zydrunas Ilguaskas score because they have effective post moves. They both are big but very skilled offensively. Rebounding for 7'3" plus guys has always been poor historicly. Ralph Sampson was a very good athlete with quick feet, Yao Ming and Zydrunas Ilgauskas are not gifted with great agility (although Yao Ming has very nice speed for a 7'5" 315 pound man). Zydrunas has broken his feet 3 times and Yao Ming is a pretty decent rebounder. I don't see why height matters. So what if Yao Ming is 4 inches taller...if his opponent's verticle jump is 5 inches higher and he more lateral quickness you can throw height right out the window...there's a reason really tall guys don't rebound well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 31 2006, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Al Harrignton - has all the hops in the world, 6'9" and only getting 6 per game this yearYao Ming - yes, he does his best, but his best isn't good enoughStromile Swift - so much potential...so much wastePau Gasol - a 7 footer, the only rebounder on his team, and he only graps 8 per? that's ridiculousEddie Griffin - What can you say other than just plain laziness?Brad Miller - sometimes you wonder just wtf he's doing on a basketball courtMichael Doleac - not sure why he's in the NBA, but it sure isn't because of his reboundingJoe Smith - after the surgery, things (including rebounding) just went downhillTony Battie - maybe Dwight Howard takes his rebounds, but Battie still isn't very good at it...</div>- Gasol is not a bad rebounder.- Eddie Griffin is not a bad rebounder either, he's just an idiot.- Michael Doleac is not one of the worst rebounding big men. He's a very solid rebounder.- Joe Smith?!?! He's still an excellent rebounder. He doesn't get the minutes due to age and injuries, so he may not make you smile when you look at his RPG numbers, but to say Joe Smith is a bad rebounder is just ridiculous.- Battie is average, not bottom tier.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Dec 31 2006, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>- Gasol is not a bad rebounder.- Eddie Griffin is not a bad rebounder either, he's just an idiot.- Michael Doleac is not one of the worst rebounding big men. He's a very solid rebounder.- Joe Smith?!?! He's still an excellent rebounder. He doesn't get the minutes due to age and injuries, so he may not make you smile when you look at his RPG numbers, but to say Joe Smith is a bad rebounder is just ridiculous.- Battie is average, not bottom tier.</div> Why bother responding to Pacerfan's garbage? Joe Smith is a good rebounder, he averaged 7 or so rebounds most of his career playing under 30 minutes a game.
Yao Ming has effective post moves because nobody can contest his shot because his wingspand and height is so much greater than everbody elses. He has good moves, but dont think for one minute that if he was 4 or 5 inches shorter that he would be near as effective. Why dont you watch Tim Duncan play. He is not athletic what so ever, and he comes down with more rebounds than Yao Ming. He is also at least 5 inches shorter....There are plenty of guys in the league that are 6 foot 8 or 6 foot 6 that have over 33 or 35 inch verticles, that get less rebounds than 7 foot players with 25 inch verticles. So that theory that if your veritcal makes up for your height, you will get just as many rebounds really isnt true. The fact of the matter is, that if you are 7 foot 5 or however tall Yao Ming is, he could do better than 9.5 rebounds per game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Dec 31 2006, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yao Ming has effective post moves because nobody can contest his shot because his wingspand and height is so much greater than everbody elses. He has good moves, but dont think for one minute that if he was 4 or 5 inches shorter that he would be near as effective. Why dont you watch Tim Duncan play. He is not athletic what so ever, and he comes down with more rebounds than Yao Ming. He is also at least 5 inches shorter....There are plenty of guys in the league that are 6 foot 8 or 6 foot 6 that have over 33 or 35 inch verticles, that get less rebounds than 7 foot players with 25 inch verticles. So that theory that if your veritcal makes up for your height, you will get just as many rebounds really isnt true. The fact of the matter is, that if you are 7 foot 5 or however tall Yao Ming is, he could do better than 9.5 rebounds per game.</div>Duncan is also stronger, smarter, more fundamentally sound, and he works to get great position every time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Dec 31 2006, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yao Ming has effective post moves because nobody can contest his shot because his wingspand and height is so much greater than everbody elses. He has good moves, but dont think for one minute that if he was 4 or 5 inches shorter that he would be near as effective. Why dont you watch Tim Duncan play. He is not athletic what so ever, and he comes down with more rebounds than Yao Ming. He is also at least 5 inches shorter....There are plenty of guys in the league that are 6 foot 8 or 6 foot 6 that have over 33 or 35 inch verticles, that get less rebounds than 7 foot players with 25 inch verticles. So that theory that if your veritcal makes up for your height, you will get just as many rebounds really isnt true. The fact of the matter is, that if you are 7 foot 5 or however tall Yao Ming is, he could do better than 9.5 rebounds per game.</div> Historicly, 10 rebounds a game for a starting player over 7'2" is very good. Sure we all think tall giants should average more rebounds, but like I've pointed out 400 times in other threads, it's not the case at all. But moving on, Tim Duncan is not a 'great' athlete like you said. But he's immoveable in the post and stronger than he appears. But his defensive attitude, determination, defensive positioning, ridiculously flawless footwork and long arms lead to his dominant rebounding. Sure he's not an elite athlete, but his fundamentals on defense are out of this world.
In the NBA when you get to that height to be a PF, it doesn't matter much. The taller you are, the slower you are. So I think you could use that for a point but they still have the height advantage.
yes, its really how athletic you are getting rebounds. Most big men only get about 8-9 rebounds a game, so sayng Gasol isnt a good rebounder, and even saying hes one of the worst reboudners is outragous. Only the KGs, Okafor,Howards and Cambys get 11+ rebounds a game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Dec 31 2006, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im sorry, that really doesn't make much sense. Yao isnt very athletic when he shoots the ball, and the foul thing is irrelevant. It should be the same for scoring and rebounding with Yao. His height is how he gets alot of points, and his height is the reason he should get alot of rebounds. What he is getting right now isnt that bad, but if you are at least 3 inches taller than everybody on the floor, you would imagine that they could put up better rebounding numbers. Even if you arent that athletic....I was saying that in case you were going to say there were players in the past that were his height that didnt grab that many rebounds....</div>Well combine that with the fact that he has terrific post moves, and he is pretty much unstoppable in the post...You're still not getting it. Yao isn't athletic, he's not co-ordinated, and he can't jump high. Players who are all of those things have just as good of a chance as Yao has.
