What yall think of him? I like him, hes proven hes not going to be a bust, will he be a star? You cant tell as of right not, but he reminds me so much of Pau Gasolmore than Dirk. I think hes going to be a very fine player in this league and will possibly average 20+ppg. What are yalls thoughts on the 1st pick overall since the start of the season?
wont be a star.....he doesn't remind me of anybody...why do people compare white players to other white players just because they're white?hes gonna be pretty good..more like alright and averagenot a bust nor a great player
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Dec 30 2006, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wont be a star.....he doesn't remind me of anybody...why do people compare white players to other white players just because they're white?hes gonna be pretty good..more like alright and averagenot a bust nor a great player</div>Because it's mostly the international players the are tall and can shoot and are not that agressive. I guess you could say he's a less agressive but better Rodney Rodgers.
Eh, I like Bargnani and think he'll be a great scorer but he won't be the rebounder Dirk is..I can see Bargs at around 25 ppg and 7 rpg in his career. In my opinion, Bargnani is a better three point shooter than Dirk is but Dirk has the much better overall game and he's a much better offensive playr inside the three point line. Bargnani will need some time to develop his inside game and as he becomes stronger and more experienced, he'll become a great scorer in this league.
uh, Gasol and Dirk are aggresive. The reason why I say he reminds me of Gasol is beacause they have similar low post moves, people only compare him to Dirk cause of his 3 point shooting. I dont see how you can say hes not going to be a star 30 games into his rookie season.
They aren't as much as the black big men of the world and their more mature international players too. Most of them are just toothpick-thin shooters and the when they become real NBA players are slightly buffer guys who dunk once in a while and play above average D.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I dont see how you can say hes not going to be a star 30 games into his rookie season.</div>The same could be said on whether or not he will be a star 30 games into his rookie season.
From the few games that I have seen this guy play, I have been impressed with his defensive presence. He seems to move his feet very well for a big man. I think that his rebounding is improving, but he still has a long way to go in the rebounding department and he also needs to gain strength. I think that he settles for the outside jumpshot right now, but I think that he will feel more comfortable downlow with time. I think he will be good, but it is too early to judge how good he will be IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Dec 31 2006, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wont be a star.....he doesn't remind me of anybody...why do people compare white players to other white players just because they're white?hes gonna be pretty good..more like alright and averagenot a bust nor a great player</div>You say that based on what? And to all those who say that Andrea will only be a 7 rpg guy for his whole career, Dirk was averaging as many rebounds as Andrea is now in his rookie year. Now Dirk's a 10 rpg guy. Most Euro guys are sort of soft, and Andrea will improve his rebounding. He already has since the first month of the season. His rpg has improved from 2.5 to 5 in on;y a month's span. Surely that will improve.On to his defense. I think he can actually be a pretty good defensive player to be honest...He struggles on the perimeter. Pretty much anyone can get by him, but I think he can improve that just like How Dirk and Pau have improved their perimeter defense. He is actually a very good shot blocker. I think he can average over 2 bpg in his prime to tell you the truth. His low post defense is actually pretty decent. Sometimes, he bites on fakes, but I think he is a decent post defender..Now, onto my assesment. I think Andrea will be a 20+ guy in the future. He's not just a shooter as many think. Yeah, he can shoot, but he is quick for a big man, and he can drive very well for a big man. He has that slippery offensive game just like Dirk where he can cut into the paint, go to the line, loft up a floater, or get a layup...Once he develops a solid post game he will be a very good offensive player. I think he'll average about 15 ppg next year, and it won't be long until he's a potent 20 ppg guy..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Dec 31 2006, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wont be a star.....he doesn't remind me of anybody...</div>Why do players always have to remind you of players?They could just be trend setters.
He'll be a solid player. he won't be a star, but by the time he finishes his career he'll have been an all-star 3-4 times, probably not agressive enough, and seems to be a little scared of the spotlight from what I've seen
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 31 2006, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You say that based on what? And to all those who say that Andrea will only be a 7 rpg guy for his whole career, Dirk was averaging as many rebounds as Andrea is now in his rookie year. Now Dirk's a 10 rpg guy. Most Euro guys are sort of soft, and Andrea will improve his rebounding. He already has since the first month of the season. His rpg has improved from 2.5 to 5 in on;y a month's span. Surely that will improve.On to his defense. I think he can actually be a pretty good defensive player to be honest...He struggles on the perimeter. Pretty much anyone can get by him, but I think he can improve that just like How Dirk and Pau have improved their perimeter defense. He is actually a very good shot blocker. I think he can average over 2 bpg in his prime to tell you the truth. His low post defense is actually pretty decent. Sometimes, he bites on fakes, but I think he is a decent post defender..Now, onto my assesment. I think Andrea will be a 20+ guy in the future. He's not just a shooter as many think. Yeah, he can shoot, but he is quick for a big man, and he can drive very well for a big man. He has that slippery offensive game just like Dirk where he can cut into the paint, go to the line, loft up a floater, or get a layup...Once he develops a solid post game he will be a very good offensive player. I think he'll average about 15 ppg next year, and it won't be long until he's a potent 20 ppg guy..</div>how is he gonna average 20+ ppg?Bosh is the number one scoring option (thats how I see it at least) and there's a lot of guys and options on that team to give the ball too and will be for the next few years..they have a lot of talent due to all their sh*tty seasons and good draft pickupshe'll never average 20+ ppg consistently..he isnt that amazing
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Dec 31 2006, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how is he gonna average 20+ ppg?Bosh is the number one scoring option (thats how I see it at least) and there's a lot of guys and options on that team to give the ball too and will be for the next few years..they have a lot of talent due to all their sh*tty seasons and good draft pickupshe'll never average 20+ ppg consistently..he isnt that amazing</div>I'd be willing to bet that you havn't seen him more than twice. So how could you say he's not that amazing after playing only 1/3rd of a season coming over from Europe? He has a ton of upside, and he is a great offensive player.So you're saying that it's impossible that we'll have two 20 ppg scorers? That doesn't make sense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Dec 31 2006, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how is he gonna average 20+ ppg?Bosh is the number one scoring option (thats how I see it at least) and there's a lot of guys and options on that team to give the ball too and will be for the next few years..they have a lot of talent due to all their sh*tty seasons and good draft pickupshe'll never average 20+ ppg consistently..he isnt that amazing</div>Look at all of the other teams in the league this season that have 2 players that score 20+ points per game. There are a decent amount, and it is possible to have to players score more than 20 a game. Although I think it will be hard for two big men to score over 20 a game, it is still possible. Seattle is doing it, Washington, Denver will once Carmelo comes back, and there are at least 7-8 other teams that have a player getting 20+ a night and another player getting at least 18 a game. Having two players on the same team scoring 20 plus a game is very possible, but I dont think that Bargnani will be getting 20 or more a night until a few more seasons.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Dec 31 2006, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The same could be said on whether or not he will be a star 30 games into his rookie season.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I like him, hes proven hes not going to be a bust, will he be a star? You cant tell as of right not</div>thats a direct qoute from my post, I never said he was a star, I said it was too early to tell, but so far hes been impressive.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Dec 31 2006, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look at all of the other teams in the league this season that have 2 players that score 20+ points per game. There are a decent amount, and it is possible to have to players score more than 20 a game. Although I think it will be hard for two big men to score over 20 a game, it is still possible. Seattle is doing it, Washington, Denver will once Carmelo comes back, and there are at least 7-8 other teams that have a player getting 20+ a night and another player getting at least 18 a game. Having two players on the same team scoring 20 plus a game is very possible, but I dont think that Bargnani will be getting 20 or more a night until a few more seasons.</div>obviously there's many teams with 2 20+ scorers but Bosh is 6'11 and Bargnani is 7'0two big men averaging 20+ PPG?I just dont see it happening in today's game...
I didn't say you did, I'm only pointing out it's too early to judge on either side 30 games into his career.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Dec 31 2006, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>obviously there's many teams with 2 20+ scorers but Bosh is 6'11 and Bargnani is 7'0two big men averaging 20+ PPG?I just dont see it happening in today's game...</div>I find it hard to believe as well, but then I began to think that there are no two big men on a team with this much offensive talent. If you have seen Bargnani play, you will know that he is a capable scorer, and that he wont do anything but get better for the future, so why cant he score 20+ a night? Tell me a team in the leauge that has two big men, selected in the top 4 in the draft, scored over 10 PPG in their rookie seasons (Bargnani is on pace to do that), and have that much ability? You know that Bosh can score over 20 a game, and you know that Bargnani has the ability to do so, so I guess we will just have to wait and see, because their arent two teams in the leauge with two offensive minded big men.
