People complain about Man in the High Castle ads

Fonz, do you feel the issue is marketing, that they shouldn't have used the symbols in the commercials but it would be OK to use during the program? Should they have given up some realism and not used them at all, instead create some fictional logo? Or is it the show itself and nothing to do with imagery that you find offensive. Don't worry, I'm going to be debating you, just curious about your opinion.

 

Realistically, how could you have this show about a Nazi occupation of America without those images?

 

I feel they are well within their right to use whatever symbols they want to on their show, as it is someone's personal choice as to whether or not they watch it. People shouldn't have to choose whether or not to take the subway because they post Nazi symbols on the trains.

 

I can't tell if you have a serious flaw in your thought process or if you are just trying to be antagonistic.

On one hand you say there is nothing offensive about the images because they don't have to do with the Nazis and are still used today, on the other hand you say they couldn't have a show about Nazi occupation in America without those images. You sit and talk about how the iron cross is not a nazi image, and completely ignore the parteiadler.

 

What if I were to tell you some Native Americans think the American Flag can be offensive because it was flown by soldiers that murdered their ancestors, including women and children. Should the American Flag be censored like the Iron Cross because it's offensive to some people?

 

And you never answered my question. How are they supposed to advertise for the show? Billboards and poster boards are a huge part of advertising for films and TV shows. So without using any symbols at all that are somewhat tied to WWII Germany, how do you convey the idea of the story?

I would like to point out that they didn't use a Swastika, which is the paramount image of the Nazi party, and the Iron Cross, as I pointed out, predates Hitler and is still used by the German military today.

 

I didn't say they have nothing to do with Nazis. The Iron Cross is an old symbol of the German military. The Red Baron had an Iron Cross on his plane from WWI. Some people choose to affiliate any and all German imagery with the Nazi party, and with the atrocities that were committed during that war. The sad thing is that the swastika predates the Nazi party by a few thousand years or so. That symbol is essentially dead because of one man.

The German government and the people of Germany are the most hypersensitive group when it comes to anything related to Nazis, and yet they still use the Iron Cross. Like Santeesioux said, many bad things have been done while under the American flag, and yet we still proudly fly it.

Honest question, does the symbol bother you so much that you change the channel if it's on TV or turn the page if you see it in a book?

 

I don't want to add to a pissing match, but after watching the show, I'm kinda glad this topic came up. The show wasn't bad, but I I have admit that I was surprisingly uncomfortable with the use of Nazi AND Japanese symbols and uniforms. I realize it's fiction and the war ended 70 years ago, but the evil perpetrated by those two powers cost tens of millions of lives and scarred at least as many more. All these years later, it is still so visceral. Literally one of my first thoughts was to wonder how those actors could bring themselves to even put those costumes on. Yeah, it's a well paying job to them, and Hollywood has been cranking out WWII movies forever. But this time around, "Americans" were wearing those uniforms and acting as the Nazis did. Maybe that's what stuck in my craw. Because we actually have American citizens (admittedly a very small majority) who would love to see this country go that way. Whatever the reason, I didn't like the feeling and I'm certainly not going to apologize for it. I am a huge, well read WWII buff and it still discomfited me. And for what it's worth, I do NOT want to see Nazi symbolism displayed in public either. If it gives even one individual in a million the twisted idea that Nazism is acceptable, that's one too many.....

 

Seems like an overreaction to me, it's fiction. When the new wolfenstein came out a big portion of their marketing had nazi symbols and the such because it is, wait for it, the plot...

 

I think that's the point though. It's SUPPOSED to give you a reaction. I have a hard time with the feasibility of a Nazi occupied America because I don't think it could have been done. I guess the story hinges on the Germans getting the bomb first, and then using it. Still, I think a large portion of the American population would die rather than be occupied by a foreign army.

With that said, the author is trying to give people a portal into what could have been. It's supposed to be thought provoking.

 

I haven't watched yet (downloading it on my plex now) but iirc the book was basically about us never entering the war because we're still pacifists (FDR was assassinated or something).

 

So far the show isn't following those storylines.

 

Today, I don't think so, some might even considerate it progressive. But In that day, I think you are spot on! And a much larger percentage of the population then actually knew how
to use arms.

 

So... Publicly advertising gratuitous snuff porn good, publicly advertising alternative history with realistic approximations of plot-appropriate iconography, not good.

Got it.

 

Philip K. Dick was a brilliant sci-fi author. The interesting thing is that I think this show is actually more provocative than the book was. It does have a significant amount of departures from the novel, and I applaud them for that.

 

People need to fucking relax and quit being offended so god damned easily. Holy shit ridiculous. Every thing in life can be found offensive by someone these days. Piss off with that garbage and quit being a cookie cutter person.

Nate, you got it right man. From the first to the last post.

Did anyone watch Band of Brothers? The Pacific? Someone mentioned Wolfenstein too, good point there.

Get the sand out of the vag America.

 

I think people act offended now because they know they will get a reaction. I don't care what the topic is, race, sex and in this case... imagery. It's like a baby crying in a crowded theater. In reality, people probably don't really care that much about the issue. But it's a good way to feel important in a society that puts you in a corner.

 

I just watched a movie called Max. It was about a military dog. It was more offensive than anything I've seen lately. Nobody cares because they didn't advertise it with anything like this. It was

1. Stupid
2. Racist


Luckily it hasn't been seen by many. I was going to write Don't Watch on it with a Sharpie before I put it back in the RedBox.

On topic, weak minded people are a dime a dozen these days. I think it is from medications in our water.