<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 5 2007, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Top 3 ever:FDRJFKClinton</div> Why is Clinton a top 3 President? You give no reason...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 5 2007, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Top 3 ever:FDRJFKClinton</div>I guess in your mind the bay of pigs, and "swollowgate" are much more important than the civil war, founding the nation, and helping the nation grow.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jan 5 2007, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess in your mind the bay of pigs, and "swollowgate" are much more important than the civil war, founding the nation, and helping the nation grow.</div>I don't know a whole bunch about presidents before the 1920's...and don't really consider them top presidents...I'm talking of our entire generation and our parents generations not back in the civil war time..things are so much different now-a-days...Clinton gave african-americans oppurtunity. Not really any other presidents did that. I guess JFK did with the whole civil rights movement, but Clinton expanded on that and went the extra mile. For all the rich white people, it doesn't mean anything to you, but to the african-americans struggling to get jobs and get into colleges because they had tougher lifes at home, and grew up in bad schools with unqualified teachers, Clinton did a ton for them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 5 2007, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Clinton gave african-americans oppurtunity. Not really any other presidents did that. I guess JFK did with the whole civil rights movement, but Clinton expanded on that and went the extra mile. For all the rich white people, it doesn't mean anything to you, but to the african-americans struggling to get jobs and get into colleges because they had tougher lifes at home, and grew up in bad schools with unqualified teachers, Clinton did a ton for them.</div> How did Bill Clinton help black people, what did he directly do...
I don't know how this affects blacks but here goes:Bill Clinton:Got NAFTA passed through the Senate, still the key economic decision of the USHe also was a flip-flopper on gays..<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Defense of Marriage Act, allowed states to refuse recognition of certain same-sex marriages, and defined marriage as between a male and female for purposes of federal law</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Initiated the Don't ask, don't tell policy toward gays in the military, 1993.</div>Talk about inconsistency in policies...
"Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993, which required large employers to allow their employees to take unpaid leave because of pregnancy or serious medical condition." <--This has been huge."Clinton's attempt to fulfill another campaign promise of allowing openly gay men and lesbians serving in the armed forces was the subject of criticism." <--This is all based on your political views. I think this is a good thing, while others don't like it. Simply opinion."Clinton signed the Brady Bill, which imposed a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases. He also expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit, which benefits working class families with dependent children." <--Trying to reduce violence and help middle class famlies."It raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers, while cutting taxes on 15 million low-income families and making tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses.[12] Additionally, it mandated that the budget be balanced over a number of years, and the implementation of spending restraints." <--Going back to your political views. I believe we should increase taxes on the rich, while lowering on middle class famlies."In addition to his political skills, Clinton also benefited from a boom of the US economy. Under Clinton, the United States had a projected federal budget surplus for the first time since 1969."<--Great for the country.I also believe he increased minimum wage, and and I also think he introduced affirmative action
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L_C @ Jan 5 2007, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wikipedia isn't true about his minimum wage increase, it say he did, but it didnt get passed.</div>Yeah, wasn't sure about that. But I DO BELIEVE (not nearly 100 percent positive) that he signed the affirmative action..which is a great act.Like I said, everything in here is opinion...nothing is a fact here. This is just what I believe, everyone has different beliefs which is what makes our country so cool...very diverse...
you can point out good small sh*t for every president...doesn't make them one of the best, and the only reason black people like him is because hes democrat and got his dick sucked...nuff said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Memphis Fan @ Jan 5 2007, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you can point out good small sh*t for every president...doesn't make them one of the best, and the only reason black people like him is because hes democrat and got his dick sucked...nuff said.</div>That's part of the reason, yeah. Or the fact republicans could care less about black people, yeah.
lmao, youve been brainwashed by Kanye West, so one of the things you HAVE to do to be republcan is dont give a sh*t about black people, im outve this conversation...idiotic sh*t...try to say something but cant prove it.New Orleans was unexpected, NOBODY, not f*cking Malcom X could do sh*t about it...
New Orleans wasn't totally unexpected, it gets hit by a bad hurricane about every 25 years or so. but that SNAFU is more to blame on FEMA than the president. Also, the city of New Orleans and mayor Ray Nagin need to take some blame too, they didn't prepare for aHurrican. the levis were built by PTG Beuriguard(sp?) before the civil war. If you live in an area which is prone to something, you have to be prepared. Califronia is prepared for Earthquakes, Florida for Hurricans, and New York for terrorist attacks.a lot of people blame the president for stuff beyond his control, people forget that the funding for most this stuff comes from Congress, and congress is more worthless than 10 William Henry Harrisons(the most worthless US president ever) but at the same time the president gets credit for good things. like Clinton and the economy, he didn't have anything to do with the economy, the internet did. thus once the internet went bust so did the economy.
I would like to point out too, experts lay more blame on Clinton than Bush about 9/11, Bush was only in office a few months before it happened. The terrorist attacks take hella lot longer than a few months to plan, the terrorists have lived here longer than Bush even being thought as a candidate of presidency. When the Twin Towers were attacked in '93, Clinton did very little, he chunked a couple missiles which didnt do sh*t to the terrorists as a whole and it resulted in them attacking us again in 2001.Im not a Bush fan either, but he gets too much sh*t he and his administration isnt fully responsible for.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Memphis Fan @ Jan 5 2007, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would like to point out too, experts lay more blame on Clinton than Bush about 9/11, Bush was only in office a few months before it happened. The terrorist attacks take hella lot longer than a few months to plan, the terrorists have lived here longer than Bush even being thought as a candidate of presidency. When the Twin Towers were attacked in '93, Clinton did very little, he chunked a couple missiles which didnt do sh*t to the terrorists as a whole and it resulted in them attacking us again in 2001.Im not a Bush fan either, but he gets too much sh*t he and his administration isnt fully responsible for.</div>Bush still had those 'few months'. Your right that Clinton did have more time, but still that does not grant Bush a full-pardon. I'm sure after your elected president you get briefed on everything...
well, clinton obviously didnt do sh*t about terrorists in the middle east, so Bush probably wasnt briefed.
Bush had 8 months from the time of his innaguration until the attacks, in those 8 months there was that incident where China shot down and captured a US spy plane, North Korea and Kim Jong Mentaly-ill was acting up, and Saddam kept going into the no fly zone. all those things took presidence. Clinton had actually delt with Al Quida for years, and he mishandled it bad. he did nothing after the first WTC attack, he bombed Iraq after something else they did which was unrelated to Iraq.(see both Bush and Clinton have something in common), he bombed Afghanistan a little bit after the Embassy bombings, he did nothing after the bombing of the USS Cole. I'm not saying it is his fault either though, because its documented that his administration had a detailed account of a prossed attack, and some aid failed to give the information to Clinton, the Pentigon, or the congress.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 5 2007, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993, which required large employers to allow their employees to take unpaid leave because of pregnancy or serious medical condition." <--This has been huge."Clinton's attempt to fulfill another campaign promise of allowing openly gay men and lesbians serving in the armed forces was the subject of criticism." <--This is all based on your political views. I think this is a good thing, while others don't like it. Simply opinion."Clinton signed the Brady Bill, which imposed a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases. He also expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit, which benefits working class families with dependent children." <--Trying to reduce violence and help middle class famlies."It raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers, while cutting taxes on 15 million low-income families and making tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses.[12] Additionally, it mandated that the budget be balanced over a number of years, and the implementation of spending restraints." <--Going back to your political views. I believe we should increase taxes on the rich, while lowering on middle class famlies."In addition to his political skills, Clinton also benefited from a boom of the US economy. Under Clinton, the United States had a projected federal budget surplus for the first time since 1969."<--Great for the country.I also believe he increased minimum wage, and and I also think he introduced affirmative action</div>Helping pregnant women is good, but certainly not worthy of making him one of the greatest presidents of all time. That's ridiculous.Helping gays be allowed to be in the military is fine, but once again not that important in my book. Gays are not a very large group in this country like people act. It's mostly hype. Anyway, unless you have "GAY" stamped on your forehead or you tell them you are gay, how would they know anyway? You couldn't say you were before Clinton, you couldn't say you were after him. Very meaningless to me.Those two bills are fine with me, but not really America changing in my opinion. You can still get a gun if you want one. I guarantee you if someone wants to murder someone, they can.Okay, fine.Yeah, I said myself that he benefitted from a great economy. So what. No one cares that he benefitted from it. He didn't do anything to cause it, and anyone should be able to tell that.Minimum wage is actually bad for a lot of people. When the minimum wage gets raised, prices get raised on all products/services in America (unless somehow your business doesn't hire anybody at or just above minimum wage). Many people get fired/laid off because they can't afford to hire everyone at the new wage. Minimum wage can be good for some people, but it has its negatives.I found that Clinton did a review on affirmative action, which basically had the purpose of knowing what was going on in America with affirmative action. Otherwise, I know of nothing that he did involving that. Affirmative action is racist and downright idiotic. I can't understand why any black person would want it. It implies that black people are somehow less than worthy of doing what a white man can. Black people have today and have had for decades tons of opportunity to do what they want. All it does is give jobs to people less qualified based on the color of their skin. I don't see how that helps America. You tell me.My brother told me recently that there was a case where a white person who was of African descent was denied a scholarship after they found out he was white. He sued and won. Props to him for defeating a racist group giving out scholarships.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 5 2007, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Or the fact republicans could care less about black people, yeah.</div>So, if Republicans could care less, then that implies that they do care, right?Anyway, Clinton didn't do that much for black people. Most of the rights they have today were earned long before he came along. To say that Clinton is one of the best presidents based on that is a travesty. Lincoln easily did more for black rights than Clinton did (see: Emancipation Proclamation). I'd really like to know why people think Kennedy is so great, too.
