White Americans Are Biggest Terror Threat in U.S.: Study

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  1. GriLtCheeZ

    GriLtCheeZ "Well, I'm not lookin' for trouble."

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    Let's all play "hey look this black guy agrees with me!"
     
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    Do you ever stop and take the time to rationalize your arguments? How do you so easily equate two events separated by time, place, people, and circumstances so that the outcome of one instance necessarily implies something at all about the other? Your logic here is extremely irrational.

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    The idea that police violence against blacks is more pervasive per capita is the point I find worth examining. But to make this simply a black/white issue is to deny the existence of all other forms of police violence that occur against non-blacks. I've read countless stories of excessive force that results in death or serious injury to humans or to animals and quite often it's not a black person in the story. You seem quite willing to entertain the idea that all police violence is racially motivated. I think you are missing the general extent of the problem, to be honest, fit full of confirmation bias in place of objective analysis.
     
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  3. MarAzul

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    Ha! I expect that is true. I know when I was doing college recruiting, the guidelines were I could hire Blacks with a GPA of 3.2 or better, 3.7 or better for the white kids.
    Geez, I needed about 100 and could hardly find any 3.7 GPAs, none that wanted to work for my company, but a bunch that would with 3.3, 3.4. Dang few Black kids with GPA of
    3.2. As I recall maybe three but none that wanted a programmer or engineer job.
     
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    Okay let's talk about them both: one is a black kid who has a knife who is walking down the middle of the street and is moving away from police officers when he is murdered in front of God and everybody. He was shot 6 more times after he was lying on the ground gasping for air. Have you seen the video? Do you think that after he was lying on the ground he could have been taken into custody? This is after he was shot 10 times...

    The other situation is a white man with a gun who robs a house, holds people at gunpoint, shoots at the house while running away, then is almost confronted by some construction workers who he shoots at 5 times. He then has a standoff with police officers pointing his firearm at them. When he is told to drop his gun he proceeds to tell the officers

    "no, you drop your fucking guns!!"

    After doing this, the man is taken into custody alive and well. This is after pointing his firearm at police officers and telling them to drop their weapons...
     
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    Geez, I hope you are smart enough to teach your son with more reason than you show here.

    Dammit, that kid in chicago got his ass shot doing stuff he should not have been doing!!! You do not fuck around out in the street with weapons or you will attract the police. That's it. That is the message! Any other incident is not comparable or relevant as it was a different cop in a different place and perhaps handled far better.

    Now I agree, the police tactics do need to be up graded. That kid in Chicago was no doubt out of his mind on something or other and the police need to drop this shit about insisting their
    commands be obeyed. Expecting rational behavior from an irrational person is in it's self irrational. So are the many extra shots
     
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    Ya know, America is so much younger in terms of being in the game of slavery, yet we get a ton more heat about the issue, even more so after we eliminated it.

    1. Wonder how black people of America feel about other countries where slavery was around much longer, or is still around.
    2. Wonder how black people feel about black slave owners.
    3. Wonder why if black people are so fed up with white people in America that they just don't leave this country and move somewhere else?
    4. How much reparations do white people need to pay to silence the black people?
     
  7. MARIS61

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    No, you are not the son of slaves. Your parents would be roughly my age, and I was born roughly 90 years after slavery was outlawed in America. Nobody you ever knew in your entire life ever lived as a slave in America.
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    So, do you go to the Sons and Daughters of Oregon Pioneers or the DAR and say "neener, you're not a REAL son of a pioneer! Nobody in your entire life was ever a pioneer in Oregon!"
     
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    Now you're just throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks.

    Having worked for the Feds for nearly 2 decades, I have an intricate knowledge of how AA works and who it benefits by discriminating on a massive scale against tens of millions of white applicants and employees, and doubly against white males.

    To simplify, it's a points system.

    White male = 0
    white female = 1
    non-white male = 1
    non-white female = 2


    As a rule, black women will be hired over anyone else, even if they have to be sent to school at taxpayer cost to train them for the job that they have no qualifications for even though many qualified white applicants are available. They are frequently promoted under the same conditions. Agencies receive budget "rewards" for attaining assigned AA hiring goals and personnel are often fired for not attaining AA goals.
     
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    It's actually very true. Maris is right on this one. Went to a diversity conference and people from huge businesses talked about how they give bonuses to managers that hire and maintain a diverse workforce. So a lot of times they will hire a lesser qualified candidate if they are a minority because it gets them into bonus territory
     
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    I don't know! I found it extremely hard to follow the guide lines and hire anyone. The few Black people that would qualify, didn't want the job. The bar was set so high for the white kids, almost none could qualify.
     
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    He's not right:

    http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/affirmative-action-has-helped-white-women-more-than-anyone/

    While people of color, individually and as groups, have been helped by affirmative action in the subsequent years, data and studies suggest women — white women in particular — have benefited disproportionately. According to one study, in 1995, 6 million women, the majority of whom were white, had jobs they wouldn’t have otherwise held but for affirmative action.

    Another study shows that women made greater gains in employment at companies that do business with the federal government, which are therefore subject to federal affirmative-action requirements, than in other companies — with female employment rising 15.2% at federal contractors but only 2.2% elsewhere. And the women working for federal-contractor companies also held higher positions and were paid better.

    Even in the private sector, the advancements of white women eclipse those of people of color. After IBM established its own affirmative-action program, the numbers of women in management positions more than tripled in less than 10 years. Data from subsequent years show that the number of executives of color at IBM also grew, but not nearly at the same rate.
     
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    Having sat in these actual discussions amongst recruiters of big business, I can tell you he is right
     
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    Yep, I buy this. It was damned hard to find a Black kid even with the lower GPA requirement and hardly ever one that wanted to work at IBM. But the affirmative -action recruiting did not
    help women directly, it help them in the sense that it left more jobs open due to the excessive GPA requirement for White kids When the white kid with a GPA higher than the AA bar was found, it was more often than not a young woman. Ha! Funny, my own daughter came in this way, with a GPA of 3.9+ from UC Berkley after being pushed aside because of AA in getting into Stanford.

    I have always felt this was a program of unanticipated consequences, one of which was contributing to IBM falling from the position of being the dominate top technology company in the world. Falling far too, hardly in contention.
     
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    Let's see, dviss says all white people benefit from the labor of the black people.
    Well let's look at it another way. The majority of the Black people in Oregon, came here or their ancestors did, to work in the shipyards of Portland during WWII. Just a guess but odds are
    dviss has this connection too. But no matter, most Black people in Oregon do.
    They got jobs building Ships, payed quite well too. Now who were their customers? The Navy guys taking those ships into harms way, that's who. They died in the hundreds of thousand too.
    I know some, do you? How much reparations do the decedents of these men owe? Or is the debt owed in the other direction?
     
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    Look at the study. The end result is white women disproportionately benefiting more from affirmative action than black people.
     
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