Kingjamez gets the credit.PG Eric Snow (He can still play ball, and can lead a team to the promised land.)SG Quinton RossSF Mikeal PietriusPF Reggie EvansC Primoz Brezec
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CABANGBANG @ Dec 31 2006, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG: Jameer NelsonSG: Kevin MartinSF: Mickael PietrusPF: Al JeffersonC: Andris Biedrins</div>you named a bunch of young players, of course they arent known as much...come on....
Andris Biedrins is a great name.Memphis fan, whats wrong with that. You're pretty fiesty these days. Why don't you make a list so that others can pick at that?
im just saying, any young player is going to be underrated unless they are Chris Paul or Lebron James. This is my team:<u>Jamaal Tinsley</u>-Yeah hes extremely injury prone, but when he is healthy, he is an elite PGRi<u>cky Davis</u>-he gets 20ppg, and is a excellent passer for thr 2 guard.<u>Andre Igoudala</u>-he can play 3 positions, is a natural scorer and is defensively gifted, but doesn't get the credit he deservesMehmet Okur-very good scorerChris Kaman-has allstar low post moves, but doesn't get as many touches as he should IMO, and still produces big.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Memphis Fan @ Jan 1 2007, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im just saying, any young player is going to be underrated unless they are Chris Paul or Lebron James. This is my team:<u>Jamaal Tinsley</u>-Yeah hes extremely injury prone, but when he is healthy, he is an elite PGRi<u>cky Davis</u>-he gets 20ppg, and is a excellent passer for thr 2 guard.<u>Andre Igoudala</u>-he can play 3 positions, is a natural scorer and is defensively gifted, but doesn't get the credit he deservesMehmet Okur-very good scorerChris Kaman-has allstar low post moves, but doesn't get as many touches as he should IMO, and still produces big.</div>now he bolded part is ridiculous
I would say one of the most underated players in the game is T.J. Ford. People have to start seeing him as one of the top guards in the league now. He is the real deal now that he can hit that mid range jump shot.
PG- Tony ParkerSG- Jason Richardson (I'm seeing people say he sucks just because of his ankle injury.)SF- Caron Butler (Yeah, homer pick.)PF- Channing Frye (Giving a great spark to the Knicks every night, really pretty dominant)C- Mehmet Okur (Really part of the reason the Jazz have had this turn around this year.)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jan 1 2007, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG- Tony ParkerSG- Jason Richardson (I'm seeing people say he sucks just because of his ankle injury.)SF- Caron Butler (Yeah, homer pick.)PF- Channing Frye (Giving a great spark to the Knicks every night, really pretty dominant)C- Mehmet Okur (Really part of the reason the Jazz have had this turn around this year.)</div>Tony Parker as underrated?!? C'mon man, lol.I'd put Devin Harris or Terry as at the most underrated PG position before Tony P...he's always getting love from the NBA honks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Memphis Fan @ Jan 1 2007, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im just saying, any young player is going to be underrated unless they are Chris Paul or Lebron James. This is my team:<u>Jamaal Tinsley</u>-Yeah hes extremely injury prone, but when he is healthy, he is an elite PGRi<u>cky Davis</u>-he gets 20ppg, and is a excellent passer for thr 2 guard.</div>You're a fool. Tinsley is an elite point guard? That's bullcrap. I'm not even going to argue with that.Ricky Davis can score 20 ppg, but he's not that great of a passer, and he doesn't play good enough defense. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would say one of the most underated players in the game is T.J. Ford. People have to start seeing him as one of the top guards in the league now. He is the real deal now that he can hit that mid range jump shot.</div>I would have said he is one of the most overrated players in the league. He's super quick and is great at slashing to the hole, but his shot is still inconsistent and he's a pushover on defense. He doesn't make a ton of great decisions on the court.Okay CB4, let me have it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Jan 1 2007, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would have said he is one of the most overrated players in the league. He's super quick and is great at slashing to the hole, but his shot is still inconsistent and he's a pushover on defense. He doesn't make a ton of great decisions on the court.Okay CB4, let me have it.</div>CB4 is going to give you a warning because you disagreed with him and said something bad about one of his players. But you're right. His defense isn't very good, and I believe the most important position to have solid defense is the PG position because the other point guards always have the ball in their hands, and its important to create problems for them both getting up the court, getting the ball out of their hands, and getting shots off.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 1 2007, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most underrated player in the NBA is Gilbert and he is not even on anyone's list? Eek..</div>I would've said that a couple of months ago, but now with all the recognition he is getting with Adidas, and the way he's been on fire in the month of December, people know him more now. Here's my teamG Brevin KnightSG Mike MillerSF Caron Butler/Gerald WallacePF Drew Gooden (beast on the boards)C Mehmet Okur
Carlos Arroyo - His play escalates to superstar status during the Olympics, even against the NBA All Stars. The problem is, Carlos has never been given a major role on a team. He's seeing some of the most minutes of his career here in Orlando, but even now he plays second fiddle to Jameer and Keyon Dooling. Personally, I prefer when Arroyo is on the floor for the Magic because he's an outstanding playmaker. Placed in a starting role with a team like the Cavs who are lacking a pure point guard, he could take them to the finals.Morris Peterson - Consistently a double digit throughout pretty much his whole career, with a setback in maybe on season. This guy has been an excellent, night in, night out player from Toronto, but doesn't get any recognition because they haven't been anywhere since Vinsanity left them. I really don't hear many people sing MoPete's praise, and it's a shame because he has put together a fine career for himself. Definitely not a superstar, but he has played very good for years.Gerald Wallace - Possibly one of the most under-rated players in the game, and showed it last season. This guy is an incredible athlete, big, strong, major ups, but most of all, he is a terrific defender. He plays defense, and is really one of the most well rounded players in the league. He's got that Andre Kirilenko type of game, and will score, rebound, pass, block shots and steal the ball. There's really nothing that G-Dub can't do, although he's not going off now like he did last year.David West - West improved his game tremendously last year and has been key for the Hornets. He benefited a lot from playing with CP3, but you can't give the outstanding point guard all the credit. West just has made some enormous strides and is a very versatile PF. Not a bad mid-range jumper, very athletic ... I just really, really like his game.Zaza Pachulia - I regret the day that the Magic traded this guy away. Zaza hasn't been spectacular but has really been a serviceable center for the Hawks. I'm sure his minutes are decreasing now that Shelden Williams is in town, but that just goes to show how under-rated Pachulia is. Smooth around the basket, he's your stereotype international center, but fits the mould well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Jan 1 2007, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would have said he is one of the most overrated players in the league. He's super quick and is great at slashing to the hole, but his shot is still inconsistent and he's a pushover on defense. He doesn't make a ton of great decisions on the court.Okay CB4, let me have it.</div>You probably shouldnt have said that.How the hell is TJ Ford one of the most overrated players in the League when he hardly gets any mentions as a great PG. I mean, look at what he's doing this season. He's averaging 16 ppg and 8 apg and gets no recognition for god sakes. Actually, you're wrong. His mid-range step back is definately not inconsistent. How do you think he's been able to score 20+ points the last game games? Just by slashing to the hole? No. You havnt watched those games, so you shouldnt speak. His step back has been on fire lately. He can hit it whenever he wants, and his mid range jumper is actually above average for a guard in my opinion. He doesn't make a ton of great decisions? What the hell is that supposed to mean? He gets TO's, but so do all of the great players in the League like Lebron and DWade. You aren't giving him any recognition as a passer either. He is a top 5 PG passer in the League in my eyes. Yeah, I said it. I think it's definately true. This coming from a 3rd year player. His offense will surely improve even more over time, and I could see him being an 18/10 guy in his prime. TJ Ford gets only 32 mpg because we have Jose Calderon. That is very low for an elite pg, and if he was playing 37 like most great pg's, he would be averaging 9 apg for sure. So that's why you cant look at apg really. For AP48 minutes, he is 2nd behind Nash. So that really speaks for his playmaking abilities. He is so great at slashing and dishing, and he has AMAZING court vision. Believe me. I've seen him play like 25 games this season. His court vision is spectacular. And again, TJ Ford gets 0 recognition. He is overlooked by SOOOO MANY other pg's. It's ridiculous. He hardly gets any credit. It's retarded that you think he's overrated.I don't give a damn about his defense. He's not a good defender. Neither is Lebron, Dirk, or Carmelo, and those guys are all top 10 players in the game atleast. His defense is not overrated. And he does a spectacular job on the offensive end.I could go on all day, bud. Test me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hoops Junkie @ Jan 1 2007, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carlos Arroyo - His play escalates to superstar status during the Olympics, even against the NBA All Stars. The problem is, Carlos has never been given a major role on a team. He's seeing some of the most minutes of his career here in Orlando, but even now he plays second fiddle to Jameer and Keyon Dooling. Personally, I prefer when Arroyo is on the floor for the Magic because he's an outstanding playmaker. Placed in a starting role with a team like the Cavs who are lacking a pure point guard, he could take them to the finals.</div>If any point guard on the Magic is underrated it is Travis Diener, not Arroyo. In my opinion Diener earned his minutes and deserves to be playing more minutes than Arroyo. Diener is a good shooter, causes the defense not to be able to settle into a zone, and plays the best defense at the point guard position of anyone on the team. What really proved that he deserves to be playing over Arroyo, is when Nelson was out, it always Diener who played over Arroyo down the stretch. In both of the wins over the Cavs and Hornets Arroyo was the one that was in at the end of the game. Arroyo has alot of things I dont like, like dribbling to the free throw line then picking up his dribble. That is almost as bad of a place to pick up your dribble as the baseline is. Arroyo carries alot, the refs let him get away with it alot, but he has been called for that a great many times this year. Especially when he is on the left side of the court, he carries. Arroyo does not play good defense, and he can't shoot the long ball very well. So I definately think that Diener is our underrated player, and Arroyo is more overrated than not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jan 1 2007, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You probably shouldnt have said that.How the hell is TJ Ford one of the most overrated players in the League when he hardly gets any mentions as a great PG. I mean, look at what he's doing this season. He's averaging 16 ppg and 8 apg and gets no recognition for god sakes. Actually, you're wrong. His mid-range step back is definately not inconsistent. How do you think he's been able to score 20+ points the last game games? Just by slashing to the hole? No. You havnt watched those games, so you shouldnt speak. His step back has been on fire lately. He can hit it whenever he wants, and his mid range jumper is actually above average for a guard in my opinion. He doesn't make a ton of great decisions? What the hell is that supposed to mean? He gets TO's, but so do all of the great players in the League like Lebron and DWade. You aren't giving him any recognition as a passer either. He is a top 5 PG passer in the League in my eyes. Yeah, I said it. I think it's definately true. This coming from a 3rd year player. His offense will surely improve even more over time, and I could see him being an 18/10 guy in his prime. TJ Ford gets only 32 mpg because we have Jose Calderon. That is very low for an elite pg, and if he was playing 37 like most great pg's, he would be averaging 9 apg for sure. So that's why you cant look at apg really. For AP48 minutes, he is 2nd behind Nash. So that really speaks for his playmaking abilities. He is so great at slashing and dishing, and he has AMAZING court vision. Believe me. I've seen him play like 25 games this season. His court vision is spectacular. And again, TJ Ford gets 0 recognition. He is overlooked by SOOOO MANY other pg's. It's ridiculous. He hardly gets any credit. It's retarded that you think he's overrated.I don't give a damn about his defense. He's not a good defender. Neither is Lebron, Dirk, or Carmelo, and those guys are all top 10 players in the game atleast. His defense is not overrated. And he does a spectacular job on the offensive end.</div>0 Recognition? Give me a break. TJ Ford is considered one of the best young point guards in the league, when I think he is behind Devin Harris, Jameer Nelson, Deron Williams, Raymond Felton, etc. Top Five Passer Point Guard? That's fair, that's your opinion. My top five doesn't include him. My top five in alphabetical order is:-Chauncey Billups-Jason Kidd-Andre Miller-Steve Nash-Eric SnowThen Bobby Jackson is right after them.
