Trade The Yankees have agreed to sign Starlin Castro.....

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  1. totus44

    totus44 Lord of the Dark Side

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    No issue calling out a good deal and strategy to improve this team. I don't like the Murphy deal and don't care for this one either. Prefer to have Refsnyder start at 2B. I'd be more inclined to have kept Murphy and move McCann next year.

    Look if the strategy is to get younger and reduce payroll, fine use the kids we got until we shed CC, Tex, ARod and Beltran. Rather see a losing season with youthful promise than another WC exit.
     
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    Rick2583 Chairman of the board

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    Hey Bern hope all is well, Granted Starlin may be an upgrade & he is a decent young player, I have no problem with that, I just don't think the trade was necessary. I mean lets face it ANYTHING after Roberts/Drew & Ryan would be an upgrade & IMO Ackley/Refsnyder would have been enough. This team need a solid starter. That should have been the teams first priority.
     
  3. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ... I don't see the value of trading Murphy for Hicks or trading Warren for Castro...and I think there's a reason why the Cubs lets Castro go.

    ... and forgive me if I have not partaken of the Gregorius kool-aide just yet. He's a middle of the pack SS. He managed to hit well in July and August but disappeared the rest of the year...he batted .295 in low leverage situations and .232 high leverage situations .167 with 2 out and RISP... simply put, he's nothing special.
    ... Castro is a horrible defender as a SS and just as bad in the very few games he's played at 2B...is he an offensive upgrade over Refsnyder?...maybe, be we'll never know. He's certainly not a power hitter so again, I don't see the value. He also ranked 18th among 20 qualifying second basemen in WAR last year, and 16th out of 20 qualifying shortstops.

    ...will either or both of these IFers become markedly better...I suppose we'll see...but I seriously doubt it.


    ...Castro and Gregorius are career .321 ,316 OBP respectively and sorry, but that's not gonna cut it.
     
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  4. cagedlion

    cagedlion "I am the problem, and I am the solution."

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    What do you expect! One head case obtaining another
    head case. LOL ( I am shaking my head )....................
     
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    cagedlion "I am the problem, and I am the solution."

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    Shedding CC, Tex, & A-Roid is like forever.............
    thanks to the ineptitude of their infamous GM.
    How do people still praise this clown?
     
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    Rick2583 Chairman of the board

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    Careful Cage, he has a relative on this board.
     
  7. Mattingly23NY

    Mattingly23NY Turning Fastballs Into Souveneir's ~

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    I heard Trashcan Man, likes young boys to do Tequila Shots on his belly button.....

    Now that is one visceral, I can do without.....

    The Yanx Prospects have to get a chance to play first, before they are demoted, or another player is obtained for their position. If your not gonna' play 'em, then obviously Trashman is going to trade them, I would not put it past the assclown.......bad for Ref., and here I thought "The Plan" was to utilize the best of the Farm, as aforementioned numerous times, and posts......
     
  8. blgridesagain

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    Ahhhh.....fresh air.
    This has been described as a desperation move...? Lol...People may not like "the plan"...some can't or haven't noticed a pattern ("plan") since LAST offseason, and we even have some who call it "an ever changing plan".....it's been pointed out that the Yanks need to beef up in the RH hitting dept- so the Yanks traded a 24 yr old backup catcher who batted .271 with little power/155 AB with one of their better prospects (a 22 yr old catcher) knocking on the door for a 26 yr old (sound familiar?) outfielder/Hicks who batted .307 - well over 800 OPS vs LHP and they had a problem with THAT. This board, sadly, has quickly degenerated into not much more than a mindless blind anti-Cashman forum...stick around, see for yourself. It's hilarious -the ruling "majority" of 6-7 regulars...lmao.
     
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    Did I mention the 26 yr old outfielder has made just 3 errors with 22 assists/.995 fldg% in 242 games or so, and is making 550? Oh, J just did...sorry.

    Makes no sense- dam Trashman! Lmao
     
  10. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...funny that you were jacking off Murphy last year and pontificating how the Yanx should give their kids a chance first...now suddenly he's become a throw away in a trade for Hicks...flip flop.

    ...and love the cherry picking on Hicks.............whoopty-fucking-do, he managed to hit .307 .375 .495 .870 in a whopping 101 ABs vs LHed pitching... why didn't you mention the other 251 ABs vs RHed pitching? ( .235 .302 .359 .661 ) ???....the answer is simple, it's because it brings his ENTIRE YEARS AVERAGE down to .256 .323 .398 .721 ...but you see that as "beefing up the RHed hitting dept"?


    ...classic, simply classic.
     
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    blgridesagain team player

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    My ass! You're an expert at cheap shots, cherry picking and coming down with convenient amnesia.
     
  12. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...hmmm, I noticed you did not deny that you once again feebly cheery picked stats?...that's good, because you clearly did. If not, please explain why you didn't post Hicks' RHed batting splits?

    ...Hicks is a 2016 version of Chris Young, a platoon player...nothing more, nothing less...accept it.
     
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    Rick2583 Chairman of the board

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    Unless they trade Gardner Hicks is nothing more than a PT player.
     
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    "mindless" speak for your "clueless" self.......

    those here who your calling "mindless" have more knowledge of the Yanks, than you ever will, as well as Diplomacy, in which your severely lacking.......
     
  15. cagedlion

    cagedlion "I am the problem, and I am the solution."

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    Two steps forward, three steps back, two steps forward,
    five steps back.............and on and on it goes and Trashman
    is aging quickly..........he just cannot seem to get back
    to the glory Yankee years. He is stuck!
     
  16. blgridesagain

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    Rick, lets just assume for a couple of minutes the Yankee GM is ANYONE ELSE but Cashman--- what "type" of pitcher (have a suggestion?) would you be willing to trade in exchange for Gardner and Refsnyder?

    I think the Yanks should make a serious run at Chen possibly overpay him a bit to keep the contract length at 4 years up to he's 34 yrs old.
    He's 30 years old, has been durable avg 29 GS per year, never had arm injury, made over 30 starts in 3 out of his 4 seasons, is good vs LH batters...and it won't cost a single ML player or good young prospect/young player from the Yanks.

    As of now, Yanks are deeper and still "young" with Refsnyder still with the team.
    Agree, Yanks need to improve the rotation...imo no need (yet) to rush and trade him or Gardy unless of course a good opportunity arises.
    I know you're going to laugh but I believe Cashman WILL make a significant move (possibly two) to try and improve the rotation.
    Let's see what happens.
    Don't holler at me.....
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  17. yankeesince59

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    ...the Yanx "are deeper"?

    ...they are now without Wilson and Warren, who've yet to be aptly replaced...and also without Murphy.

    ...and what freaking difference does it make if Refsnyder is still with the team if he's got gonna get to play ?

    ...you've also been preaching about not spending money and getting rid of Gardner contract but now you suddenly want to "overpay" for Chen. And exactly how does Chen replace Wilson and Warren in the pen?...but yeah, the Yanx are deeper.
    ...You spend so much time blindly defending Cashman that you don't even remember what you type...at least be consistent.
     
  18. Yankeefan5545

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    I still believe that Warren was not left in the rotation is because the organization had no one with the sack to tell the Big Man that his big dollars were not commensurate with his meek performance and running him out there every five days was no longer an option. If off rehab by Spring I see the same dilemma so now Warren is gone with no suitable replacement. Ditto Murphy, the fans liked him, ditto the staff, and yes his playing time was limited but McCann was a damn good mentor. So Cashman deals him for another outfielder. Jesus Christ the stupidity just blows me away. And while I'm on that I'm not on the Gregorius bandwagon either after watching that guy leave battalions of runners on base. Thus far it looks like an impending season of mediocrity for this team, the big ball park in the Bronx will no doubt see diminishing crowds this year. To use a John Phillips Phrase I'm broke, busted, and disgusted.
     
  19. Lillie

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    I have a hair in my ass today, I dare someone to fuck with me. :lol:
     
  20. yankeesince59

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    ...^^^you're exactly right. Warren was never given a fair chance because MANAGEMENT bungled his handling...first, after doing quite well, he was inexplicably taken out of the starting rotation to make room for the gas can called, wait for it...Chris Capuano. And then, as you pointed out, as CC was sucking and the Yanx were struggling for wins, they still stubbornly sent the fat man out to the mound every 5th day.

    ...as far as Murphy, Cashman is simply crossing his fingers that Romine/Sanchez will be anywhere near the caliber of Murphy...and you can't assume that the Yanx will even give those 2 kids a chance because hey, Cashman was even looking into acquiring Tyler fucking Flowers as a backup catcher.!
     
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